How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Ahhh, Finally, we have it. YOU are a product of GPS. YOU don't know
anything about navigation. YOU only know how to read a GPS. YOU will go
into a panic if you don't know your position to a few feet, by your GPS.
YOU don't know how RDF was used or could be used. YOU don't know how to
use celestial. YOU don't know how to use a compass. YOU are a rank
amateur who prowls the boat shows and reads the magazines, and sometimes
acts as crew, because YOU don't know anything about boating, except what
you read or hear from other people. YOU are a total phony !!!

comments interspersed below:

JAXAshby wrote:
an *this* was accurate to what??

Totally depended on the equipment, operator, and/or conditions. A
"navigator" would know how much credence he could apply to the
particular bearing and/or fix. This was part of navigating ....
something you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand....
you're a "gypser"

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

G see above

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Jax, you've never done it .... you don't know whether it could or could
not be done.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Get over it, Jax. You never were and never will be, a "navigator". You
have neither the mental capacity nor the basic abilities, to be one.


otn

okay, besides where the signal came from, over the nee, what else does the

RDF

equipment tell _you_?



And again, you're too stupid to understand or be able to make any use of
that information.
Keep reading the Bowditch, Jax

I see you are trying to make some stupid "Jax" point here, so I'll bite.
In the days when we were all making use of RDF (either for a fix or a
homing beacon or danger bearing) the "equipment" told us three possible
things: Station identity, relative bearing, or true bearing, to the tower.

Are you looking for something else?

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
I've used them on ships


*that* of course is exactly the same as a recreational sailboat.

Nope, but you don't have enough knowledge to know that, cause, .....it
could be.



I had one on my 26' Contessa,


yes, of course. that explains all.

Nope, but you wouldn't understand what it DOES explain.


which I was
able to use to get some relatively accurate fixes (at least accurate
enough for my needs).


sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges 60
yards away, right?

ROFLMAO .... further confirmation that you don't KNOW or UNDERSTAND
marine navigation. YOU are AGAIN a product of GPS !! YOU don't know or
understand how to navigate, unless you are guaranteed a position, to
within inches or feet.
Stay on the dock, Jax. You're an amateur buffoon, kinda like the idiot I
watched coming into port this afternoon. (small IO, coming from sea and
heading for Port Hueneme [private boats are not allowed in Port
Hueneme]. I bet everyone he had set his GPS waypoint to PH seabuoy and
would then take a heading to Channel Islands harbor .... even though he
could see it. He did, but like Jax, wasn't sure, so he made a round turn
and finally headed off .... course, the fact that he could see me coming
at him with zero concern as to where he was may have affected his
decision to bugaloo west.

otn


otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

JAXAshby wrote:
oh?

Yeah ...all one has to do, is read your post.

otn



jeffies, you said it all with:



I haven't used RDF


that we knew when you said it was accurate on a recreational sailboat to 2
degrees.



Everything I knew about RDF came from the Ray-Jeff manual,


if you hd paid attention, and thought things through, you would not have

been

plowing through the granite ledges blindly in fog trusting your RDF to keep

you

safe.

God takes care of fools and little children, jeffies. you got lucky.

other

people didn't.



Jax ....Again .... all you know is what you read. YOU have little or
NO practical experience!!!

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

That you're an idiot? It's obvious.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
so, you wanna explain it to us?

From: "Jonathan Ganz"
Date: 3/7/2004 9:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I understand you're an idiot.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
which word couldn't you understand?

As soon as you figure out what you're trying to say, type it in.

--
"j" ganz @@

How many beers before jaxie starts to make sense?
 

Thom,
Is this what I have to look forward to? No wonder you drink!

Have one on me,
Jeff


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jeff,

The Noon sight would still have to be averaged as with a sextant. I
thought I took enough time.

About checking your fist and knuckles. It is done very easy. Stand in
the corner of a room, extend your fist and check how many fist it takes
to get 90 Degrees. (Two walls)

Give it a try. Its fun. Also telling time. A good estimate of time to
sunset. When the wind stops give you something to do. When your becalmed
the mast give a pretty good vertical reference point.

Ole Thom

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

sure, plus or minus 100%, distance. good enough to miss the granite ledges 60
yards away, right?

I guess you slept through the class where they explained how to get distance off
from a radiobeacon.

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
an *this* was accurate to what??

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Jaxie has just declared that it was impossible to cruise New England waters
before the invention of GPS! Maybe that explains why there are no boats in
Yarmouth, Freeport, Harpswell, Cundy's, Robinhood, Booth Bay, Linekin, Pemiquid,
Friendship, Muscongus, Tenant's, Rockland, Rockport, Camden, Belfast, Searsport,
Castine, North Haven, Vinalhaven, Stonington, Brooklin, Blue Hill, Swans Island,
Isle au Haut, Criehaven, Matinicus, Frenchboro, Bass Harbor, Southwest Harbor,
Northeast Harbor, Cranberry Harbor ... And that's before you actually get
"Downeast!"

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

"JAXAshby" wrote in message ...
Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner plate".

OK, Jax, oh great boat show navigator....tell us how RDF works.
I need a good laugh.

otn

JAXAshby wrote:
kinda a strange way, jeffies, for you to tell us you were unable to google
enough info to back up your claim that you have known for years how RDF
works.


Stay away from Maine, "Turn-Back-Jaxie," its way too scary for you! If you
thought the "rocks" at Hatteras were so scary you wanted to turn back, you
have
no business cruising where there are real rocks!

BOO!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

over the nee huffing in the sandbox tells us that is almost big enough for his
mommy to buy him a jockstrap because he starts junior high school in two and a
half years thusly:

Ahhh, Finally, we have it. YOU are a product of GPS. YOU don't know
anything about navigation. YOU only know how to read a GPS. YOU will go
into a panic if you don't know your position to a few feet, by your GPS.
YOU don't know how RDF was used or could be used. YOU don't know how to
use celestial. YOU don't know how to use a compass. YOU are a rank
amateur who prowls the boat shows and reads the magazines, and sometimes
acts as crew, because YOU don't know anything about boating, except what
you read or hear from other people. YOU are a total phony !!!

comments interspersed below:

JAXAshby wrote:
an *this* was accurate to what??

Totally depended on the equipment, operator, and/or conditions. A
"navigator" would know how much credence he could apply to the
particular bearing and/or fix. This was part of navigating ....
something you don't have the knowledge or experience to understand....
you're a "gypser"

2 degrees? 5 degrees? what the hell knows how many degrees?

G see above

dude, wandering around in unknown waters with a obstacles nearby using an
RDF
was stew ped. That *you* might have survived means only that *you* were
lucky,
NOT fricken smart.

Jax, you've never done it .... you don't know whether it could or could
not be done.

Get over it, AND thank your lucky stars.

Get over it, Jax. You never were and never will be, a "navigator". You
have neither the mental capacity nor the basic abilities, to be one.


otn

okay, besides where the signal came from, over the nee, what else does
the

RDF

equipment tell _you_?



And again, you're too stupid to understand or be able to make any use of
that information.
Keep reading the Bowditch, Jax

I see you are trying to make some stupid "Jax" point here, so I'll bite.
In the days when we were all making use of RDF (either for a fix or a
homing beacon or danger bearing) the "equipment" told us three possible
things: Station identity, relative bearing, or true bearing, to the tower.

Are you looking for something else?

otn