How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Doubtful.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Sure. "Galactic Proportions" is about 100,000 light years. It means that
your
brain (a granite ledge) may be found somewhere within that. Or maybe
not.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it
is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

jeffies, you are one of the nattering nobobs of nowhere.

Sure. "Galactic Proportions" is about 100,000 light years. It means that
your
brain (a granite ledge) may be found somewhere within that. Or maybe not.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
okay, explain your understanding of the term. make mention as to why it is
important in terms of traveling around granite ledges.

Have you any idea what the term "ellipse of uncertainty" means?


Sure, yours is of galactic proportions!

Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere
 

So far, NNN = over the nee, jeffies and joony

not one of them could find his ass in the dark even with an RDF.

Butt I, boys and girls would have no problem sniffing out there asses
in the dark. Soon.

JAXie

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere" that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere" that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said "I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees? Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think, "dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

keep going, jeffies. 2*, eh? 5*? 6*

you did not then, and do not now, have a clew WTF you said.

I suggest you bone up on your back peddling skills. Soon, you will need them.

RDF is simple, jeffies, and you couldn't even find diddly on it even by
googling. If, on the other hand, you knew how it worked you wouldn't have made
your dumb statements, would you.

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that
RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just
trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the
concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't
be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

Why should I google it? You've obviously been doing that for two days now.
But even so, you had no idea it could be used for distance off. You had no idea
you could combine a RDF LOP with an other type of line. You had no idea you
could use two different radiobeacons. And you don't even know what an
"approach" is. Pretty pathetic, jaxie. What have you ever done on a boat other
than hang over the side?

Come on Jaxie - Why are you so terrified of being with GPS? Why were you lost?
If 3 isn't enough, how many GPS's do you need to find Cape Hatteras?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
keep going, jeffies. 2*, eh? 5*? 6*

you did not then, and do not now, have a clew WTF you said.

I suggest you bone up on your back peddling skills. Soon, you will need them.

RDF is simple, jeffies, and you couldn't even find diddly on it even by
googling. If, on the other hand, you knew how it worked you wouldn't have
made
your dumb statements, would you.

Why should I explain it to you? Why does anyone care? No one doubts that
RDF
was commonly used, and no one really cares whether I used it. You're just
trying
to lay a trap, but its as transparent as your other junior high school ploys.

But you can explain two things to us - why are you so terrified of the
concept
of sailing without GPS, and why were you lost when you had 3 GPS's on board?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that
it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you wouldn't
be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn

How many beer boxes needed to navigate an ocean?
 

I don't think paraphrasing Agnew is going to add to your credibility
(as though you have any!)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you can't even explain how RDF works, yet you "read somewhere"
that it
"can be" accurate to 2*, and **you** KNOW it is accurate to 6*.

you are one of the Nattering Nabobs of Nowhere, jeffies, a dolt.

You're cracking me up jaxie ... what are you going to reveal? That no
one
ever
used RDF? That no one ever cruised before GPS was invented?

Are you going to deny that government publications say accuracy can be as
good
as 2 degrees? You've been trying to say I claimed 2 degrees, but I said
"I
generally assumed I'd get no better the 5 degrees." You keep talking
about
granite ledges but I said I used it when running down the coast or for
approaches. You do know what an "approach" is? No? I didn't think so.

So what ... are you going to show the accuracy was only 6 or 7 degrees?
Or
that sometimes signals were bent by shoreline affect? None of this
matters
when
you're using it to home in on an offshore light. The bottom line is the
RDF
was
the best tool we had for certain purposes. Everybody understood that it
had
limitations, but we also knew how to use it.

So while we're talking about "twisting slowly in the wind" you still
haven't
explain why you thought you were 10 miles off course when you had 3 GPS's
on
board?



"JAXAshby" is ...
twisting slowly in the wind.

no, over the nee, I am going to let you twist slowly in the wind. I
know
why
you are lost in a fog but you don't. I asked you explain how RDF
equipment
works and you don't have a clew. you and jeffies are huffing and
puffing
in
the sandbox. if you were big enough to wear a jockstrap you
wouldn't be
bragging about maybe someday owning one.

But I will give you a hint as to what to consider in trying to
understand
why
RDF is less accurate by far than you guys are claiming. Think,
"dinner
plate".

Jax, if you want some long winded technical discussion on radio waves,
loop antennas, etc., go read the book ....again.
The subject at hand here, is making use of the information, received,
knowing it's limitations, knowing the corrections which may need to be
applied, and translating that information into a useful navigation
tool
as it was used in the past, to make approaches to land and/or avoid
dangers.
Once again, you need to go back and re-read the section on possible
accuracy, then try and comprehend how a navigator might incorporate
that
possible error into his route planning or navigation.
As I've said before and will continue to say, you are a product of
GPS,
with no real sense of what is going on around you .... you may know
what
the book says, but you don't understand how to use it.

otn