Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which =
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000 watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I think you're an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20
hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

joony, joony,joony. I just took you at your word, and then ran the numbers
out. Is it my fault what those numbers came to be, or your fault for what you
said?

I think you're an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20
hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

No. It's not your fault you're an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
joony, joony,joony. I just took you at your word, and then ran the
numbers
out. Is it my fault what those numbers came to be, or your fault for what
you
said?

I think you're an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts,
which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about
300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted
to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a
20
hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a
few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine,
plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

So why would you put a "belt driven" alternator on a shaft that already has an
electric motor that can regenerate? And why only 6 amps at 12 volts?

The system I saw can charge 22 Amps at 144 Volts. The net efficiency was such
that they could power something like 1 hour for every 4 sailing. The battery
bank was good for around 4 hours of powering, and a 10kW genset could run it
fulltime (actually only running part-time to charge the batteries) with power
to spare. This was a 47 foot catamaran.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which =
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

jeff, about it. where does the power to generate hydrogen come from? How much
power is generated by "burning" the hydrogen to produce water? Is this more
energy or less energy than it takes to split water into hydrogen?

jeffies, remember what they taught you in those alleged classes you took on
your way to your alleged arts degree in physics? You know, power in = power
out.

So why would you put a "belt driven" alternator on a shaft that already has
an
electric motor that can regenerate? And why only 6 amps at 12 volts?

The system I saw can charge 22 Amps at 144 Volts. The net efficiency was
such
that they could power something like 1 hour for every 4 sailing. The battery
bank was good for around 4 hours of powering, and a 10kW genset could run it
fulltime (actually only running part-time to charge the batteries) with
power
to spare. This was a 47 foot catamaran.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I wasn't commenting on the hydrogen fuel cell aspect - frankly the concept of
using an RO system to make pure water to make hydrogen for a fuel cell seems
more like buzzword loading than viable technology.

However, using electric motors that can regenerate through the propeller is
viable and is being done today. If I were building a new boat, or repowering,
I'd take a long look at the "Electric Wheel" approach.

You talk about "power in = power out", but doesn't that mean that you should
generate as much with the wind pushing the boat at 8 knots as you use when the
motor is pushing it? That would mean that you could make enough to power the
boat half the time. Obviously, there are efficiency issues, but with batteries
able to store 4 hours or more of run time it starts making sense. Add in a
small genset that can run very efficiently at a fixed load and you have a very
viable system.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeff, about it. where does the power to generate hydrogen come from? How
much
power is generated by "burning" the hydrogen to produce water? Is this more
energy or less energy than it takes to split water into hydrogen?

jeffies, remember what they taught you in those alleged classes you took on
your way to your alleged arts degree in physics? You know, power in = power
out.

So why would you put a "belt driven" alternator on a shaft that already has
an
electric motor that can regenerate? And why only 6 amps at 12 volts?

The system I saw can charge 22 Amps at 144 Volts. The net efficiency was
such
that they could power something like 1 hour for every 4 sailing. The battery
bank was good for around 4 hours of powering, and a 10kW genset could run it
fulltime (actually only running part-time to charge the batteries) with
power
to spare. This was a 47 foot catamaran.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts, which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about 300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a 20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine, plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Do you think a 'special' prop would be needed? I've seen where a belt is
driven off the prop shaft to an alt. for batt. charging. Not sure if that's
good for the trans.. But the elect. motor/gen. sounds ideal if the costs
could be competitive.

Scotty


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I wasn't commenting on the hydrogen fuel cell aspect - frankly the concept
of
using an RO system to make pure water to make hydrogen for a fuel cell
seems
more like buzzword loading than viable technology.

However, using electric motors that can regenerate through the propeller
is
viable and is being done today. If I were building a new boat, or
repowering,
I'd take a long look at the "Electric Wheel" approach.

You talk about "power in = power out", but doesn't that mean that you
should
generate as much with the wind pushing the boat at 8 knots as you use when
the
motor is pushing it? That would mean that you could make enough to power
the
boat half the time. Obviously, there are efficiency issues, but with
batteries
able to store 4 hours or more of run time it starts making sense. Add in
a
small genset that can run very efficiently at a fixed load and you have a
very
viable system.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeff, about it. where does the power to generate hydrogen come from?
How
much
power is generated by "burning" the hydrogen to produce water? Is this
more
energy or less energy than it takes to split water into hydrogen?

jeffies, remember what they taught you in those alleged classes you took
on
your way to your alleged arts degree in physics? You know, power in =
power
out.

So why would you put a "belt driven" alternator on a shaft that already
has
an
electric motor that can regenerate? And why only 6 amps at 12 volts?

The system I saw can charge 22 Amps at 144 Volts. The net efficiency
was
such
that they could power something like 1 hour for every 4 sailing. The
battery
bank was good for around 4 hours of powering, and a 10kW genset could
run it
fulltime (actually only running part-time to charge the batteries)
with
power
to spare. This was a 47 foot catamaran.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the
spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts,
which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about
300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator
belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a
20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public
is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a
few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine,
plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Well, a folding prop won't do much good! I think most electric conversions use
a large (like a 20 inch) prop. The new systems are set up so that you can set
the "throttle" to provide some engine power when the wind dies, and then
regenerate when it picks up. The only way to tell which mode you're in is to
look at the charge meter.

Costs are going to get competitive over time, especially when you figure that
maintenance costs are much lower with electric power. Even when you include a
small genset for the "diesel-electric" approach there's a big win in the long
term "total cost of investment."



"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Do you think a 'special' prop would be needed? I've seen where a belt is
driven off the prop shaft to an alt. for batt. charging. Not sure if that's
good for the trans.. But the elect. motor/gen. sounds ideal if the costs
could be competitive.

Scotty


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
I wasn't commenting on the hydrogen fuel cell aspect - frankly the concept
of
using an RO system to make pure water to make hydrogen for a fuel cell
seems
more like buzzword loading than viable technology.

However, using electric motors that can regenerate through the propeller
is
viable and is being done today. If I were building a new boat, or
repowering,
I'd take a long look at the "Electric Wheel" approach.

You talk about "power in = power out", but doesn't that mean that you
should
generate as much with the wind pushing the boat at 8 knots as you use when
the
motor is pushing it? That would mean that you could make enough to power
the
boat half the time. Obviously, there are efficiency issues, but with
batteries
able to store 4 hours or more of run time it starts making sense. Add in
a
small genset that can run very efficiently at a fixed load and you have a
very
viable system.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeff, about it. where does the power to generate hydrogen come from?
How
much
power is generated by "burning" the hydrogen to produce water? Is this
more
energy or less energy than it takes to split water into hydrogen?

jeffies, remember what they taught you in those alleged classes you took
on
your way to your alleged arts degree in physics? You know, power in =
power
out.

So why would you put a "belt driven" alternator on a shaft that already
has
an
electric motor that can regenerate? And why only 6 amps at 12 volts?

The system I saw can charge 22 Amps at 144 Volts. The net efficiency
was
such
that they could power something like 1 hour for every 4 sailing. The
battery
bank was good for around 4 hours of powering, and a 10kW genset could
run it
fulltime (actually only running part-time to charge the batteries)
with
power
to spare. This was a 47 foot catamaran.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, NO solar panels. I see. Just an alternator belted to the
spinning
prop
shaft puttin out maybe 6 amps.

So, let's add it up. 6 amps at 12 volts for 24 hours = 1,728 watts,
which
=
2.3 hp-hours.

But you need 20 hp for up to 20 hours, or 400 hp-hours, or about
300,000
watts,
which will take you approximately 173.611111 days sailing to produce.

You would also need battery capacity of 50,000 amps.

This is to motor not even 1 day.

I dunno, joony. you think it is doable?

Jaxass, looks like you can't read. I said, no solar panels. Not sure
where you got $40K either. You're proving yourself over and
over to be an idiot.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
let's see if I got this straight.

you guys are saying that between solar panals and a generator
belted to
the
prop shaft you will have more than enough amps produced to drive a
20 hp
electric motor for up to several hours, and therefore the public
is
going
to
stampede the vendor to pay upwards of $40K for a motor, panals, a
few
thousand
pounds of batteries all to avoid paying $8k for a diesel engine,
plus
fuel.

boy, you guys sure do have dreams, don't you.

"Jonathan Ganz"
scribbled thusly:

They're charged by the prop spinning while sailing.

This isn't the only one, but check this web site for more
info.

http://www.solomontechnologies.com/


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
ah, and the "batts" are charge how?






Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.