Michael wrote:
Hey Rick you gonna be home next week?

Hi Michael, welcome back to the world!

Am doing 1st Eng relief on the AK ferry in Lk Union yard
this week but should be finished on the weekend and home
Monday ... teaching this quarter so no sailing till April at
earliest.

Stop by and say hello anytime, would like to catch up.

Rick

Rick wrote in message thlink.net...
Joe wrote:

And the US submarine fleet has the safest record of any vessels at
sea.

Newsflash for you slick ...

Well........They have the safest record of any vessels at sea without
visual lookouts...Visual as defined by Donal.

Besides they sail 1000's of times the distance that the average
vessels sails.
Perhaps I should of said safest record per mile traveled.

If you go futher, travel in new places all the time things will
happen. I do not care how good of a Captain you are. A friend in
charge of hiring 100's of 300+ tons masters told me a story once about
a capt that sunk a boat in the mississippi. The guy loaded his boat (
State Diamond) to the max. He left the gulf stacks hatch doors to the
engine room open when he left the dock. Ok till he got mid river and
hooked em up. The suction pulled the deck under and flooded the engine
room in about 120 seconds. Boat sank and killed a few crew members. I
asked him why he did not fire him. And he said nothing like that will
ever happen on his boats again, he's worked here 7 year without any
problems. I said "Guess not" and thought about it for a long time.

I realized:

If you play with fire long enough your going to get burned. And there
is nothing like the memory of a searing red hot poker jabbing you to
keep you focused. Pain is the pre-curser to change.

Joe
MSV RedCloud







http://prop1.org/2000/accident/1989/890712a1.htm

http://www.armscontrol.ru/subs/collisions/comm0319.htm

That's just from a very quick look in Google. There are
plenty of others that you could use to make the argument
that US Submarines are a hazard to navigation due to
incompetence and shoddy operating practices.

Rick

A sub?

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
On this craft we move at 20-30 knots most of the time.

In areas with Fog, high winds, storms, monster seas, icebergs, shipping
lanes,
harbors,and open oceans.

Yet rarely we care to have a *visual lookout.(*according to Donal)
We are at sea 90+ days at a time.
With a large crew.

What kind of craft can safely do this feat of physic magic.

Are they breaking the Col Regs with no visual lookouts on the bow in fog?

Good for 3 ASA points.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
A sub?

Very Good Scotty!
3 asa points scribed in the logs

Joe
MSV RedCloud




"Joe" wrote in message
om...
On this craft we move at 20-30 knots most of the time.

In areas with Fog, high winds, storms, monster seas, icebergs, shipping
lanes,
harbors,and open oceans.

Yet rarely we care to have a *visual lookout.(*according to Donal)
We are at sea 90+ days at a time.
With a large crew.

What kind of craft can safely do this feat of physic magic.

Are they breaking the Col Regs with no visual lookouts on the bow in fog?

Good for 3 ASA points.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

This would be a good time to re-read Rule Five. One thing you will note is
there does not exist any requirement for visual (Mk I Eyeball or Mk I Mod 2
(eyeglasses, binoculars etc.) vision 360 degrees 24/7.

If you read the rule carefully you will see having no bow lookout (or any
other particular kind of lookout) is of and by itself not a violation. Nor
is it a minimum nor maximum criteria under those conditions.

But as to the original question I'll vote with Scott for the sub.

Michael


"Joe" wrote in message
om...
On this craft we move at 20-30 knots most of the time.

In areas with Fog, high winds, storms, monster seas, icebergs, shipping
lanes,
harbors,and open oceans.

Yet rarely we care to have a *visual lookout.(*according to Donal)
We are at sea 90+ days at a time.
With a large crew.

What kind of craft can safely do this feat of physic magic.

Are they breaking the Col Regs with no visual lookouts on the bow in fog?

Good for 3 ASA points.

Joe
MSV RedCloud

"Michael" wrote in message ...
This would be a good time to re-read Rule Five. One thing you will note is
there does not exist any requirement for visual (Mk I Eyeball or Mk I Mod 2
(eyeglasses, binoculars etc.) vision 360 degrees 24/7.


"at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing" would seem to
cover 24/7 eyeball. Certainly nothing says 360 degrees. As I've said, courts
have had a lot to say about the meaning of "proper," including saying that "no
lookout" is proper in some cases.

And I'll go with the sub, also. But what about a lightship?

Jeff Morris wrote:

And I'll go with the sub, also. But what about a lightship?

I would say that a lightship is inconsistent with "On this craft we move at
20-30 knots most of the time." - don't lightships spend most of their time
not moving?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

oh, yea, I missed that. I keep looking for a question for which lightships are
the answer, but it never quite works.



"Wally" wrote in message
...
Jeff Morris wrote:

And I'll go with the sub, also. But what about a lightship?

I would say that a lightship is inconsistent with "On this craft we move at
20-30 knots most of the time." - don't lightships spend most of their time
not moving?


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk/music

Jeff stated: I keep looking for a question for which lightships are
the answer, but it never quite works.

OK, here's your chance: Where is the only light ship in the Great Lakes =
found?

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"Wally" wrote in message ...
Jeff Morris wrote:

And I'll go with the sub, also. But what about a lightship?

I would say that a lightship is inconsistent with "On this craft we move at
20-30 knots most of the time." - don't lightships spend most of their time
not moving?

3 asa point for Wally 2

no Lightships has every gone close to 20 knots.

Joe