"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong. Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat humble
pie if you were proved wrong.

How about: "It's 13-14 years since I did the course, so I'm cannot give you the
specifics of what is required. " Are you referring to the shorebased part or
the practical?






Sounds like trolling to me.
I asked a straight forward question, so why not just answer it?

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."

"As far as I can remember", IMO imples you have done this thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.

You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit, a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".






you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification
you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've said
it many times.
If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.

What makes you think that I have any understanding of the YachtMaster courses or
requirements? Frankly, here in the States, there is no concept of getting a
"portion" of a license - you either have it all or you don't have it. All
portions of the test, plus the other requirements must be completed in one year.
So when you mentioned have done part of it 13 years ago, I assuming (to the
extent that I thought about it) that you had some minor version, such as the
"inland" or "coastal" yachtmaster. but were working towards a real license.







Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you
have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling.
Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so? Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory
pass,
just the completion certificate.

I did *not* say that I would produce the "number", did I?

I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?

So, is the "blind navigation" part of the shorebased part?


Once again, you are a **LIAR**.





snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.

Well done!

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers liars?



Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you
should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass?

I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my honesty?
What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you? Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of us
who only took the theory course?

Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems that
you lied!

But when did he lie?



It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop
the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at
least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.

You really are stupid beyond belief! Don't you understand? I want an
apology.

I've been posting in ASA for about 5 years. You have called my integrity
into question.

I'm really quite unhappy about that.

BWAHAHA!
You crack me up, Donal! What a Putz!





Regards


Donal
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

John, get your knife and fork out.


I don't know why - John had you pegged pretty well.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical. Quite the
opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the Shorebased
exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


You're assuming I have any idea what the meaning of "shorebased exam" is.

You implied you took a course where the test involved navigating while on
board - is that what you call shore based? When pressed on the details of
the
"blind navigation" test you said: "It's 13-14 years since I did the
course, so
I'm cannot give you the specifics of what is required." That certainly
sounds
like you actually took this test. However, your very confused answers
seemed to
show that you never could have passed it.



In fact, a few weeks ago I wrote the following

" I've only done the shorebased element.".

Here is a link to it on Google.



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...roup:alt.sa i

ling.asa&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm= 6Y
GdnVbURbX8A3SiRVn-sw%40comcast.com&rnum=2


What's the point? Does anyone care? First you claim to have done it,
now
you're saying you haven't. Truth is very pliable for you, isn't it?


You will notice that Jeff read that post, and replied to it.

So? What are you claiming? That you took the course but flunked the
test?



Do a search for "donal yachtmaster shorebased" in Google groups. 15
hits.
Now use Google to find any claim that I possess the Yachtmaster
Practical.


What is that? Is that the shore based part?

Are you *pretending* to be stupid?





Here is another link from Google


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do....sailing.as a

&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm=bg c3e6%245
8f%241%248302bc10%40news.demon.co.uk&rnum=4


Quote :- "I've said before that I am a novice sailor. "
In fact, I've said that many times. Do a Google. It's all there.


As near as I can tell its possible to get a YachtMaster while still a
novice.
What's your point?

Yes, It is possible to get a Yachtmaster while still a novice. That *is* my
point.





Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Nope. You're still a faker. You implied you had done the "blind
navigation
test,"

I did *not*. I said that I had done blind navigation. I have! Not only
have I done blind navigation, but I have also given you a good description
of what it is like.

You seem to be missing the fact that I was heavily involved in the setting
up of a sailing club that was formed by a group of people who did the
"shorebased" course together. We got on so well that we set up a club when
the course ended. Afterwards, we carried on with the "instructional" theme.
We had weekends afloaat where we practised "man overboard" routines. We
practised sailing without using the rudder. We also practised "blind
sailing".

For some very odd reason, you refuse to believe me. That is your problem,
not mine.


now you seem to be saying you didn't. Whether you have or haven't
really does make any difference. You could clarify this is you wanted,
but you
seem to prefer looking like a faker.

You are really taking the **** here.

On the 24th of December, you answered one of my posts. In that post I
explicitely stated that I did *NOT" have the practical Yachtmaster.

How can you now claim that I was trying to deceive you? For Gawd's sake, it
was only 4 weeks ago????



Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong.
Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a
faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat
humble
pie if you were proved wrong.


I asked you if you were a YM did I not? You are not!

14/01/2004 @ 13:10 - "I've described the test several times."
How can describe what you have never performed?

14/01/2004 @ 18:34 - "As I pointed out earlier, it is 13 years since I did
this stuff."
But you never have in a practical environment! and teh question was a
practical one.

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."
IMO still implies you have done the 'remebered' thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


You can remeber what you have never done. Dammed good going that man. Wish I
could, I could then remeber my night of passion with Felicity Kendal, Eather
Kit and ZaZa Gabour. Mmmmmmmm


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been
very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.


Irrelevant to one who is not familiar with your previous posts, I am only
concerned with your responses within this thread.

You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to wit,
a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You
are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".


Reading the thread carefully you are correct. I have indeed be culpable in
assuming you meant to knock me down with a sudden display of valid
documentation. Liar no, stupid yes.


you have concistanty avoided this route. Fine by me, you have only
prompted
me to feel stronger than ever that you do not hold the qualification
you
claim to.

I have **never** claimed to have the Yachmaster Practical.

So why comment on the practical without clarification of you lack of
expereince? If not to troll.

Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've
said
it many times.

Not everyone or I would have no reason to kick off on you as I would be
already informed.

If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.


Yes. Same for anyone else. Not to answer a clear call to clarify the
situation can and has been in htuis case, by me, construed as feeding
assumption.


Quite the opposite. I have often pointed out that I only took the
Shorebased exam.
Joe, and Jeff should both be aware of this. Therefore, I felt no
obligation to correct them at all.


Just by telling me you can produce the requested number in 6-7 days you
have
implied that not only have to taken the exam but alos passed. Trolling.
Now
you are stating that you have not taken the exam? Why not just say so?
Why
imply you have these details? You don't get one of those for a theory
pass,
just the completion certificate.

I did *not* say that I would produce the "number", did I?


No you did not.

I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?


Yes.

Once again, you are a **LIAR**.


No. Only guilty of false assumptions, helping to create trolls and then
biting on and responding to them.


snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not
releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am now.

Well done!


Thankyou. I worked hard for it.

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers liars?


Not at all. I take that right just by breathing if I feel the individual
concerned deserves it and is making loud noises in a public place. As indeed
I feel you do. On occasion through this discourse you have call me a liar. I
did in fact go from CC to YMOff practical (blue book) between Feb'93 and Nov
'93. So you gonna say sorry to me? After all I too am a complete stranger.
Tell you what, don't bother, I can deal with scepticism and rejection.



Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Now, I think that it is time to use your cutlery!!


On what grounds? I asked if you a YACHTMASTER and by your own admission
above you are not, a theory pass does not a YACHTMASTER make, as you
should
know if you have the shorebased theory pass?

I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my
honesty?

Note my responce to your comments above, mortaly wounded horror, 'How dare
YOU'. Tehe!!! You have done all of the above to me but hey, life is a bitch
and it is your choice. Deal with it, I have.

What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you?

No less sick or twisted than you. You baited, I bit. Tough! More fool me,
poor sad you.

Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of us
who only took the theory course?


Not at all. You have permitted me to build my uninformed assumptitions, in
part fed them. If you wind people up, you must be prepared for the fall out.
You strike me as the boy in the playground taht winds up a fight and then
calls for the teacher.


Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no
way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems
that
you lied!


What have you proved me wrong over aside from being a faker (and that is
even still debatable)? I believe I said IMO you we not yachtmaster, and I am
right.


It is time you came clean and started being honest about yourself, drop
the
inference and deceptive stuff. Nothing wrong with being a novice of at
least
14 years standing, reading through some othere posts you obviously have
information to impart, just stick to what you know to be so.

You really are stupid beyond belief! Don't you understand? I want an
apology.


Only if you apologise to me for branding my claims over the rate at which I
collected my qual's. Else I'll tell mummy and she won't like it!

I've been posting in ASA for about 5 years. You have called my integrity
into question.


As indeed you have mine... dah de dah de dah de dah and on and on and
on..... Mindless tedium, wounded looks......
I am just another person in a public forum reading what I concider to be
disinformation and questioning the source. No thing more or less, who the
are you? This is not your forum, if that is how you see it then I would
suggest you start you own and offer subscription only ids and passwords. As
I have said time and again, a public place.

I'm really quite unhappy about that.


More mindless tedium, wounded looks......
Tough. I to have been slightly offended (mainly smiling though) by you
calling me a liar over my sail record vis-ve training. Sob sob! You do not
know me or my record and yet you have felt informed enought to off my traing
as lies. Ah! over these exchanges you to have called me a liar prior to this
little tyrade. Has is had me crawling around the floor in to shock and
horror? No. You are entiled to your opinions for me as I am of you. If the
fact someone does not rate you or your methods or your verbal rot, be it
sailing or the use of usernet as a trolling device or what ever, well grow
up and smell the roses. Life can be a bitch and not everyone will value your
emotions and opinions as highly as you do. As indeed they have no reason to
value mine.


Regards


Donal
--


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

JohnE

"Donal" wrote in message
...

more of Donals usual tut cut

Yes, It is possible to get a Yachtmaster while still a novice. That *is*
my
point.


Only if you complete the shore based theory and the 6-10 hour practical else
you are NOT a yachtmaster. You merely hold the YM shorebased certificate.
To quote the text from the theory ticket ...
"(name here) has atteneded a shore based course of instruction and
demonstrated a knowledge of theory up to the standard of RYA DTp Coastal
Skipper and Yachtmaster Offshore"
This is NOT yachtmaster Certificate Of Competence, i.e. Yachtmaster.
To quote the text from the Certificate of Competence Yachtmaster Offshore...
"(name here) has been examined to standards approved by the Department of
Transport Marine Directorate and teh Royal Yachting Association and found
competent to hold this certificate"
and on the flip side
"This certificate entitles the holder to sail as Master of United Kingdon
pleasure yachts not exceeding 200 gross registered tons, subject to the
conditions specified in the General Exemption currently in force. The
Yachtmaster Qualification Panel reserves the right to withdraw this
certificate at any time if due cause is shown"
The CoC gives the holder (this is really silly but) the right to wear the YM
tie, you can only get the tie if you can provide a CoC to support your
purchase, not the shorebased theory ticket.
So no Donal, you can not get a YM as a novice unless you can do the biz, I
was a novice with only 2500Nm on the book, the absolute minimum, and if you
can do the biz to CoC level you really are some novice. A shorebased
completion ticket is NOT a YACHTMASTER. Do you understand, we had this chat
the other day, and as you claim to hold the shorebased ticket you really
should know this?

snip. even more rot cut

I did *not*. I said that I had done blind navigation. I have! Not only
have I done blind navigation, but I have also given you a good description
of what it is like.


Good description! Rubbish. You got it wrong and refered people to my
description.

You seem to be missing the fact that I was heavily involved in the setting
up of a sailing club that was formed by a group of people who did the
"shorebased" course together. We got on so well that we set up a club
when
the course ended. Afterwards, we carried on with the "instructional"
theme.
We had weekends afloaat where we practised "man overboard" routines. We
practised sailing without using the rudder. We also practised "blind
sailing".


Cool. Nice one. Lets blow a trumpet for you. Still does not make you a YM!
I created a sailing program for 40 people and got the local government to
fund it. Did make me one in the end :-))

For some very odd reason, you refuse to believe me. That is your
problem,
not mine.


With BS like the above I don't blame Jeff.


Regards


Donal
--


John

"Donal" wrote in message
...

You're assuming I have any idea what the meaning of "shorebased exam" is.

You implied you took a course where the test involved navigating while on
board - is that what you call shore based? When pressed on the details of
the
"blind navigation" test you said: "It's 13-14 years since I did the
course, so
I'm cannot give you the specifics of what is required." That certainly
sounds
like you actually took this test. However, your very confused answers
seemed to
show that you never could have passed it.



In fact, a few weeks ago I wrote the following

" I've only done the shorebased element.".

Here is a link to it on Google.



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...roup:alt.sa i

ling.asa&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm= 6Y
GdnVbURbX8A3SiRVn-sw%40comcast.com&rnum=2


What's the point? Does anyone care? First you claim to have done it,
now
you're saying you haven't. Truth is very pliable for you, isn't it?


You will notice that Jeff read that post, and replied to it.

So? What are you claiming? That you took the course but flunked the
test?



Do a search for "donal yachtmaster shorebased" in Google groups. 15
hits.
Now use Google to find any claim that I possess the Yachtmaster
Practical.


What is that? Is that the shore based part?

Are you *pretending* to be stupid?


No. Why do you assume I have any knowlege of your system? I've said several
times that I don't, and whenever I've asked about it you haven't responded.

I still don't know if the "blind navigation" test is part of the "shore based"
part. It seems not, because you claimed it takes place on a boat underway. But
you siad you only did the shorebase part. I'm not trying to be obstuse, you're
simply not answering the question.







Here is another link from Google


http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do....sailing.as a

&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm=bg c3e6%245
8f%241%248302bc10%40news.demon.co.uk&rnum=4


Quote :- "I've said before that I am a novice sailor. "
In fact, I've said that many times. Do a Google. It's all there.


As near as I can tell its possible to get a YachtMaster while still a
novice.
What's your point?

Yes, It is possible to get a Yachtmaster while still a novice. That *is* my
point.


So are you claiming you have a yachtmaster? You're going in circles here.





Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Nope. You're still a faker. You implied you had done the "blind
navigation
test,"

I did *not*. I said that I had done blind navigation. I have! Not only
have I done blind navigation, but I have also given you a good description
of what it is like.

No, you gave a rather poor description. When pressed you refused to clarify,
claiming you couldn't remember. It was John that gave a description that made
sense.



You seem to be missing the fact that I was heavily involved in the setting
up of a sailing club that was formed by a group of people who did the
"shorebased" course together. We got on so well that we set up a club when
the course ended. Afterwards, we carried on with the "instructional" theme.
We had weekends afloaat where we practised "man overboard" routines. We
practised sailing without using the rudder. We also practised "blind
sailing".

Excuse me for not knowing your life story. If you can't remember it, how can
you expect me to?

So are you saying that the "blind navigation" text is one that is really part of
a license that you don't actually have? Did you take the test for real or for
practice? Don't you see why this could be confusing?



For some very odd reason, you refuse to believe me. That is your problem,
not mine.

I don't believe or not believe. We've asked you to clarify but you seem to take
this as a game.



now you seem to be saying you didn't. Whether you have or haven't
really does make any difference. You could clarify this is you wanted,
but you
seem to prefer looking like a faker.

You are really taking the **** here.

On the 24th of December, you answered one of my posts. In that post I
explicitely stated that I did *NOT" have the practical Yachtmaster.

OK, I give up. Just what is the "practical" yachtmaster? Is yours an
"impractical" yachtmaster?

In article , John.E
wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Hey, he offered to answer your questions. You asked what his licence
number was. He stalled & didn't answer. All he had to do was say
'sorry, I don't have that licence'.

Yeah, he set you up but at the same time shot himself in both feet.
Pyrrhic victory at best.

Nobody I know has a yachting cert of any type so who cares, really? In
Australia it's pretty much for people who want to go racing. Everyone
else just goes sailing.

PDW


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

JohnE

"John.E" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

Please post *one* instance of where I fed your uninformed assumptions!
I never fed your assumptions! I simply stated that you were wrong.
Also,
I told you that I would prove that you were wrong. You called me a
faker,
and I have proved you completely wrong. You said that you would eat
humble
pie if you were proved wrong.


I asked you if you were a YM did I not?

Liar! You did not ask anything of the sort. You assumed, in your
ignorance, that I was claiming to hold the Practical YM. Not only did I
*never* make such a claim, but I actually posted that I did *NOT* have the
YM practical qualification - many times.


You assumed that I was claiming to be a YM (practical), and you called me a
faker.

Your assumption was 100% incorrect.

You said that you would eat humble pie if you were wrong. Well ... you
*are* wrong. Are you a real man?



14/01/2004 @ 13:10 - "I've described the test several times."
How can describe what you have never performed?

14/01/2004 @ 18:34 - "As I pointed out earlier, it is 13 years since I did
this stuff."
But you never have in a practical environment! and teh question was a
practical one.

14/01/04 @ 13:10 - Donal - "As far as I remember..."
IMO still implies you have done the 'remebered' thing?


It implies absolutely nothing more than it says.


You can remeber what you have never done. Dammed good going that man. Wish
I
could, I could then remeber my night of passion with Felicity Kendal,
Eather
Kit and ZaZa Gabour. Mmmmmmmm


as opposed
to 'I have been told/heard' which would clearly indicate that you have
not.

I wasn't trying to be helpful. As I have already stated, I have been
very
clear - over a number of years - that I am a novice.


Irrelevant to one who is not familiar with your previous posts, I am only
concerned with your responses within this thread.

OK! Can you point out where I have claimed to have the Yachtmaster
Practical?

Of course you cannot! Because I never made such a claim.

I am not a faker.


You have offered to supply details you can not be possesion of, to
wit,
a
YACHTMASTER CERTIFICATE NUMBMER, sounds like a liar to me, with all
this
who-ha you are certainly not a faker, just a full of BS and a troll to
boot
(a good one at that).

Now, I *will* call you a liar. Let me make this absolutely clear. You
are
a liar.

I did **not** offer to supply you with "details" of my Yachtmaster
Certificate. I offered to "answer all of your questions".


Reading the thread carefully you are correct.

Of course I am. ... As I have been all along.


I have indeed be culpable in
assuming you meant to knock me down with a sudden display of valid
documentation. Liar no, stupid yes.

I did mean to knock you down. You called me a "faker". You are a liar.




Very simple. Everybody knows that I haven't done the practical. I've
said
it many times.

Not everyone or I would have no reason to kick off on you as I would be
already informed.

I've said it many, many times.

You called me a faker -- which is the same as calling me a liar.


I want a retraction.


Believe me.






If Joe and Jeff (who knows that I've only done the shorebased), want to
assume that I've done the practical, then that really is their problem.


Yes. Same for anyone else. Not to answer a clear call to clarify the
situation can and has been in htuis case, by me, construed as feeding
assumption.

So what? That really is their problem. I've told them the truth often
enough. In fact, I've proved that Jeff has actually read a post where I
stated that I only held the "shorebased" Yachtmaster. He responded to it --
and only a few weeks ago!!!





I said that I would answer your questions. Didn't I?


Yes.

Once again, you are a **LIAR**.


No. Only guilty of false assumptions, helping to create trolls and then
biting on and responding to them.

Yes, you are guilty of false assumptions. Your false assumptions led you
to call me a "faker".


You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong.


All you have to do is say "sorry".





snip - referend to loads of old stuff that I had not read - not
releted
to
this thread

I have only been hanging around the last couple of weeks, again I
would
ask
you, why not just answer NO when I asked if you were a YACHTMASTER? No
shame
in it, a few years ago I was not one either, but the fact is, I am
now.

Well done!


Thankyou. I worked hard for it.

Do you feel that it gives you the right to call complete strangers
liars?


Not at all. I take that right just by breathing if I feel the individual
concerned deserves it and is making loud noises in a public place. As
indeed
I feel you do. On occasion through this discourse you have call me a liar.
I
did in fact go from CC to YMOff practical (blue book) between Feb'93 and
Nov
'93. So you gonna say sorry to me? After all I too am a complete stranger.
Tell you what, don't bother, I can deal with scepticism and rejection.

You're nuts! Where did I say that you had not accomplished the things that
you have claimed?

I expressed extreme sceptisism at your apparent claim to have gone from
absolute beginner to Yachmaster Ocean in one year. I believe that you
confirmed my opinion on the matter.



I have never claimed that I have the Yachtmaster Practical. Far from
it.
I have claimed that I am a *novice* sailor. How dare you attack my
honesty?

Note my responce to your comments above, mortaly wounded horror, 'How dare
YOU'. Tehe!!! You have done all of the above to me but hey, life is a
bitch
and it is your choice. Deal with it, I have.

No you haven't. You said that you would eat "humble pie".



What kind of sick, twisted, individual are you?

No less sick or twisted than you. You baited, I bit. Tough! More fool me,
poor sad you.

I did *not* try to bait you.

Joe, and Jeff were fair bait because they had *both* seen my claim that I
had only taken the shorebased exam.



Are you sooo pleased with
your Practial certificate that you feel qualified to sneer at those of
us
who only took the theory course?


Not at all. You have permitted me to build my uninformed assumptitions, in
part fed them. If you wind people up, you must be prepared for the fall
out.
You strike me as the boy in the playground taht winds up a fight and then
calls for the teacher.

I haven't asked for any help!

*You* strike me as a pompous ass who was only too happy to boast about his
qualifications. You also seemed happy to bring down some innocent
bystander in your pathetic attempt to demonstrate your superiority.

The strange thing is, that after your initial post, I immediately bowed to
your superiority, and that wasn't enough for you.

Why did you feel the need to prove that I was lying?



Takes more than a classroom
docket to be a YACHTMASTER. I think far from me eating humble pie, no
way.

You said that you would eat humble pie if I proved you wrong. It seems
that
you lied!


What have you proved me wrong over aside from being a faker (and that is
even still debatable)? I believe I said IMO you we not yachtmaster, and I
am
right.

Jeeeeze!!!

Do you want me to post your words?


You called me a "faker" ---- and you called me out!

You really should have the decency to apologise.





snip


Lets just face it Donal, you and I are not going to be lovers. We have
engaged in a game of brinkmanship and for various reasons neither of us
can
win outright. I posted a question that offened you for whatever reason and
you set me up for a fall. Well done, you did a good job and I bit and I
applaud your efforts. However, my primary question boiled down to 'are you
a
YM', and your answer is NO, so no humble pie for me to eat, but I have to
add nor are you truly a faker as you have rightly pointed out my query was
based on a false assumption I had made, which you permitted to exisist
longer than needed to gratify your need to feel good about something and
get
one over, cool, I can (as is my right) assume this is a chip due to the
lack
of the full YM coming through! (true or not does not matter) The way you
get
so offended by being questioned is sad though, you will gladly call
another
a LIAR and then get all tearful if you are on the recieving end, I feel I
have to advise you to get a life and stop throwing stones unless you can
deal with the a little broken glass of your own.

Why are you writing this nonsense?

Why don't you simply say that I wasn't lying?

This isn't about me proving that you are wrong. I have no wish to "dance
over your grave".

I just want to clear my name.

Regards


Donal
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

You're assuming I have any idea what the meaning of "shorebased exam"
is.

You implied you took a course where the test involved navigating while
on
board - is that what you call shore based? When pressed on the
details of
the
"blind navigation" test you said: "It's 13-14 years since I did the
course, so
I'm cannot give you the specifics of what is required." That
certainly
sounds
like you actually took this test. However, your very confused answers
seemed to
show that you never could have passed it.



In fact, a few weeks ago I wrote the following

" I've only done the shorebased element.".

Here is a link to it on Google.




http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...roup:alt.sa i


ling.asa&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm= 6Y
GdnVbURbX8A3SiRVn-sw%40comcast.com&rnum=2


What's the point? Does anyone care? First you claim to have done
it,
now
you're saying you haven't. Truth is very pliable for you, isn't it?


You will notice that Jeff read that post, and replied to it.

So? What are you claiming? That you took the course but flunked the
test?



Do a search for "donal yachtmaster shorebased" in Google groups. 15
hits.
Now use Google to find any claim that I possess the Yachtmaster
Practical.


What is that? Is that the shore based part?

Are you *pretending* to be stupid?


No. Why do you assume I have any knowlege of your system? I've said
several
times that I don't, and whenever I've asked about it you haven't
responded.

I still don't know if the "blind navigation" test is part of the "shore
based"
part. It seems not, because you claimed it takes place on a boat
underway. But
you siad you only did the shorebase part. I'm not trying to be obstuse,
you're
simply not answering the question.







Here is another link from Google



http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do....sailing.as a


&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=alt.sailing.asa&c2coff=1&scoring=d&selm=bg c3e6%245
8f%241%248302bc10%40news.demon.co.uk&rnum=4


Quote :- "I've said before that I am a novice sailor. "
In fact, I've said that many times. Do a Google. It's all there.


As near as I can tell its possible to get a YachtMaster while still a
novice.
What's your point?

Yes, It is possible to get a Yachtmaster while still a novice. That
*is* my
point.


So are you claiming you have a yachtmaster? You're going in circles here.

Yachtmaster is nothing special. Are you fooled by the title?







Your first post to me contained these words:-
"Go on, be brave, face me down on this one. I will eat humble pie if
needed
but IMO you are a faker!"

Nope. You're still a faker. You implied you had done the "blind
navigation
test,"

I did *not*. I said that I had done blind navigation. I have! Not
only
have I done blind navigation, but I have also given you a good
description
of what it is like.

No, you gave a rather poor description. When pressed you refused to
clarify,
claiming you couldn't remember. It was John that gave a description that
made
sense.

I've practised it, as I described it. You should try it.






You seem to be missing the fact that I was heavily involved in the
setting
up of a sailing club that was formed by a group of people who did the
"shorebased" course together. We got on so well that we set up a club
when
the course ended. Afterwards, we carried on with the "instructional"
theme.
We had weekends afloaat where we practised "man overboard" routines. We
practised sailing without using the rudder. We also practised "blind
sailing".

Excuse me for not knowing your life story. If you can't remember it, how
can
you expect me to?

So are you saying that the "blind navigation" text is one that is really
part of
a license that you don't actually have? Did you take the test for real or
for
practice? Don't you see why this could be confusing?

Only to someone who wanted to think that I was bul****ting.







For some very odd reason, you refuse to believe me. That is your
problem,
not mine.

I don't believe or not believe. We've asked you to clarify but you seem
to take
this as a game.

Yes, it is. Wake up, Jeff.

You've been here for a number of years. Have you been ignoring me? I
have always presented myself as a newbie to the sport of sailing.




now you seem to be saying you didn't. Whether you have or haven't
really does make any difference. You could clarify this is you
wanted,
but you
seem to prefer looking like a faker.

You are really taking the **** here.

On the 24th of December, you answered one of my posts. In that post I
explicitely stated that I did *NOT" have the practical Yachtmaster.

OK, I give up. Just what is the "practical" yachtmaster? Is yours an
"impractical" yachtmaster?



No, as I explained before, there is a "theory", or "shorebased" course.
There is also a "practical" or boat based element to the "Yachtmaster". I
explained this to you on the 24th December, and you replied - so you *did*
read it. Furthermore, you recentely made a post which suggested that you
understood the difference between the two. Do I need to do a "Google" to
find ir for you?




Regards


Donal
--

In article , OzOne wrote:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:50:21 +1100, Peter Wiley
scribbled thusly:

Nobody I know has a yachting cert of any type so who cares, really? In
Australia it's pretty much for people who want to go racing. Everyone
else just goes sailing.

PDW

Nah, actually it's not.
It's for people who like a bit of paper to show to their friends.

OK, I stand corrected. You do racing & I don't. I thought that for
offshore racing there was a requirement for a certain number to have
done 'Competent crew' and the like, though, and was assuming the
skipper had to be the holder of some piece of paper. Am I wrong on this
one too? Pure idle curiosity here, mind you.

My guys have to hold limited coxwain at least because our boats are
under survey. Power boat licence isn't good enough. We all might go do
the full coxwain course at the Maritime College in winter, God knows we
have the time up. This year it's refreshers in first aid, survival at
sea & firefighting at sea. Lotta fun.

Glorious weather here atm. Pity I have to finish building my house but
the toy sailboat mast is in my shop while we TIG weld bits to it. It's
3" shorter than it used to be but apart from having to shorten the
stays that won't matter and it saved my buying a new one.

Maybe February I'll have more free time, probably come up to Sydney in
March.

Peter Wiley

"Peter Wiley" wrote in message
. ..
In article , John.E
wrote:

"Donal" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Hey, he offered to answer your questions. You asked what his licence
number was. He stalled & didn't answer. All he had to do was say
'sorry, I don't have that licence'.

Yeah, he set you up but at the same time shot himself in both feet.
Pyrrhic victory at best.


Yep he sure did, but I did too for my sins.
Oh, ****, life is so hard on lil' old me;-))

Nobody I know has a yachting cert of any type so who cares, really? In
Australia it's pretty much for people who want to go racing. Everyone
else just goes sailing.


'Everyone else just goes sailing', a bloody good plan :-))

PDW



JohnE