"Donal" wrote in message
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more of Donals usual tut cut

Yes, It is possible to get a Yachtmaster while still a novice. That *is*
my
point.


Only if you complete the shore based theory and the 6-10 hour practical else
you are NOT a yachtmaster. You merely hold the YM shorebased certificate.
To quote the text from the theory ticket ...
"(name here) has atteneded a shore based course of instruction and
demonstrated a knowledge of theory up to the standard of RYA DTp Coastal
Skipper and Yachtmaster Offshore"
This is NOT yachtmaster Certificate Of Competence, i.e. Yachtmaster.
To quote the text from the Certificate of Competence Yachtmaster Offshore...
"(name here) has been examined to standards approved by the Department of
Transport Marine Directorate and teh Royal Yachting Association and found
competent to hold this certificate"
and on the flip side
"This certificate entitles the holder to sail as Master of United Kingdon
pleasure yachts not exceeding 200 gross registered tons, subject to the
conditions specified in the General Exemption currently in force. The
Yachtmaster Qualification Panel reserves the right to withdraw this
certificate at any time if due cause is shown"
The CoC gives the holder (this is really silly but) the right to wear the YM
tie, you can only get the tie if you can provide a CoC to support your
purchase, not the shorebased theory ticket.
So no Donal, you can not get a YM as a novice unless you can do the biz, I
was a novice with only 2500Nm on the book, the absolute minimum, and if you
can do the biz to CoC level you really are some novice. A shorebased
completion ticket is NOT a YACHTMASTER. Do you understand, we had this chat
the other day, and as you claim to hold the shorebased ticket you really
should know this?

snip. even more rot cut

I did *not*. I said that I had done blind navigation. I have! Not only
have I done blind navigation, but I have also given you a good description
of what it is like.


Good description! Rubbish. You got it wrong and refered people to my
description.

You seem to be missing the fact that I was heavily involved in the setting
up of a sailing club that was formed by a group of people who did the
"shorebased" course together. We got on so well that we set up a club
when
the course ended. Afterwards, we carried on with the "instructional"
theme.
We had weekends afloaat where we practised "man overboard" routines. We
practised sailing without using the rudder. We also practised "blind
sailing".


Cool. Nice one. Lets blow a trumpet for you. Still does not make you a YM!
I created a sailing program for 40 people and got the local government to
fund it. Did make me one in the end :-))

For some very odd reason, you refuse to believe me. That is your
problem,
not mine.


With BS like the above I don't blame Jeff.


Regards


Donal
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John