What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

What rig design makes these most effective?

Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Bart Senior

Bart,
There are two disadvantages you don't get the performance to weather an
overlapping jig will give you and - they don't go to leeward worth a damn.

The obvious advantage is that you can come about without any commotion.

If a young man happens to have barrowed someones knock about (sloop
without bowsprit) to spend some quiet time with a young lady. It allows
a lot of sailing time without much distraction caused by the rig.

A wonderful way to have an evening on Fishers Island Sound but you
better be real close to the mooring when the nine o'clock calm drops on you.

All the boats I have know to have a selftending jib were fractional
sloops or ketch. It never made sense to me that some of the long boom
boats had runniong backs and a club-foot jib.

I haven't seen a boat built with a jib boom and traveler in several
decades (other than two reproductions).

Matt Colie - see prior sig


N1EE wrote:

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

What rig design makes these most effective?

Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Bart Senior

"N1EE" wrote in message
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What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if there
were only two people aboard.


Regards


Donal
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"N1EE" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote

"N1EE" wrote

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?

Right


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.

Why?

I *assume* that they must have a small jib, and therefore they must have a
large main. Ergo, a fractional rig.

I've stressed the word "assume" because I freely admit that an assumption
can be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the
enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if
there
were only two people aboard.

It should be easy for oe person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.

My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use the
engine. [sigh].



Regards


Donal
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Bart Senior

"Capt.American" wrote in message
m...
"Donal" wrote in message
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"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

Hahahahaha~ bets that happens often on your boat.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the
enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if
there
were only two people aboard.

What! What does the size of the wheel have to do with 2 people?. Are
you like a keystone cops?. Do you run into your wheel in excitement?

Sailing tip for Donal:
If you move you hand towards the center of the steering wheel(Helm)
and use the spokes you can steer faster.


Cheerios! Tally hhoooooooo~~~ pop pop

Heh heh.


You cannot upset me with talk about sailing, CA.
You understand sailing much more than I do.

If you want an arguement, then you should talk politics. I just love
political discussion with thick rednecks.... and you are one of the
finest!!!


Regards


Donal
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"Marc" wrote in message
news
You"ve sailed a self tender, how did you like it?


Please, do NOT ask sailing questions of Bob.


Regards


Donal
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On 11 Jan 2004 15:22:07 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

One person at my yacht club has a Freedom 35 with a self-tacking jib.



Donal and Scotty are also self tacky.

RB

"Donal" wrote in message
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What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Why? The PDQ 32 has a self-tacker that's masthead rigged. I've never sailed
one, but I think Ganz has.

Yep... didn't like it much. It was hard to adjust for good performance.
(I'm 75% certain it was a masthead... just can't recall completely.)

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Why? The PDQ 32 has a self-tacker that's masthead rigged. I've never
sailed
one, but I think Ganz has.

(N1EE)asked:
What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?
What rig design makes these most effective?
Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Assuming we're talking about Hoyt-style self-tending and self-vanging
designs...

Advantage: Lower workload when single-handing or short-handing.

Disadvantage: Limited performance because they're limited in size to J
at most.

I'm a fan of Garry Hoyt's Cat-sloop Freedom rig. The big, large-roach
main helps offset the limitations of the limited-size jib.

Freedom, although it doesn't seem that they're really "in production"
anymore. Don't some Island Packets use a Hoyt self-tending,
self-vanging jib?

"Frank Maier" wrote in message
I'm a fan of Garry Hoyt's Cat-sloop Freedom rig. The big, large-roach
main helps offset the limitations of the limited-size jib.

Freedom, although it doesn't seem that they're really "in production"
anymore. Don't some Island Packets use a Hoyt self-tending,
self-vanging jib?

They're certainly still in business, but all of their new designs are
powerboats. This seems to be the current trend.
http://www.freedomyachts.com/freedom1.htm