What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

What rig design makes these most effective?

Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Bart Senior

Bart,
There are two disadvantages you don't get the performance to weather an
overlapping jig will give you and - they don't go to leeward worth a damn.

The obvious advantage is that you can come about without any commotion.

If a young man happens to have barrowed someones knock about (sloop
without bowsprit) to spend some quiet time with a young lady. It allows
a lot of sailing time without much distraction caused by the rig.

A wonderful way to have an evening on Fishers Island Sound but you
better be real close to the mooring when the nine o'clock calm drops on you.

All the boats I have know to have a selftending jib were fractional
sloops or ketch. It never made sense to me that some of the long boom
boats had runniong backs and a club-foot jib.

I haven't seen a boat built with a jib boom and traveler in several
decades (other than two reproductions).

Matt Colie - see prior sig


N1EE wrote:

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

What rig design makes these most effective?

Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Bart Senior

Matt Colie wrote in message ...
Bart,
There are two disadvantages you don't get the performance to weather an
overlapping jig will give you and - they don't go to leeward worth a damn.

What prevents you from setting a spinnaker when sailing to leeward?
Either a runner or asym?


The obvious advantage is that you can come about without any commotion.

Not just once, but short tacking becomes a breeze. Imagine fighting
headwinds
and current in a channel where you need to tack often! A self tending
jib would be a breeze while tacking a jib would rapidly wear you out.

If a young man happens to have barrowed someones knock about (sloop
without bowsprit) to spend some quiet time with a young lady. It allows
a lot of sailing time without much distraction caused by the rig.

True. It leaves your hands free for other things.


A wonderful way to have an evening on Fishers Island Sound but you
better be real close to the mooring when the nine o'clock calm drops on you.

All the boats I have know to have a selftending jib were fractional
sloops or ketch. It never made sense to me that some of the long boom
boats had runniong backs and a club-foot jib.

I haven't seen a boat built with a jib boom and traveler in several
decades (other than two reproductions).

There is no requirement for a jib boom. I don't like them except as
staysails.

Bart Senior

"N1EE" wrote in message
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What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if there
were only two people aboard.


Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Why? The PDQ 32 has a self-tacker that's masthead rigged. I've never sailed
one, but I think Ganz has.

Yep... didn't like it much. It was hard to adjust for good performance.
(I'm 75% certain it was a masthead... just can't recall completely.)

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.



Why? The PDQ 32 has a self-tacker that's masthead rigged. I've never
sailed
one, but I think Ganz has.

"Donal" wrote

"N1EE" wrote

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?

Right


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.

Why?


Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if there
were only two people aboard.

It should be easy for oe person to steer it.

Bart Senior

"N1EE" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote

"N1EE" wrote

What are the advantages and disadvantages
of a self-tending jib?

Are you referring to self-tacking jobs?

Right


What rig design makes these most effective?

I'd assume that threy need to be fractional to work at all.

Why?

I *assume* that they must have a small jib, and therefore they must have a
large main. Ergo, a fractional rig.

I've stressed the word "assume" because I freely admit that an assumption
can be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.



Do you know of any production sloops
designed with a self tending jib?

Dehler 41.

A very nice boat indeed. I was overtaken by one during the Round the
Island race about 4 years ago.

The only thing that I don't like about the current Dehlers is the
enormous
steering wheel. I worry about what would happen in an emergency if
there
were only two people aboard.

It should be easy for oe person to steer it.

True, but it would be difficult for that person to go forward in a hurry.
They would have to climb up on to the sidedecks. As my kids are reaching
the age where they might soon fly the nest, I am looking at boats with a
view to sailing them two handed.

My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use the
engine. [sigh].



Regards


Donal
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Bart Senior

Donal wrote:



My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use the
engine. [sigh].


Hmmm.. sounds like my wife, doesn't like it when the boat does that tippy thing!

We got out for a while in her brothers power cruiser in a good blow last summer,
damn near needed a kidney transplant after, but now she likes the sailboat a lot
more.

Now if I could just get her to keep quiet when the news is on......

Cheers
Marty

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
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Donal wrote:



My wife tends to enjoy the destinations a bit more than the trips. In
fact,
she enjoys the trips where there is so little wind that we have to use
the
engine. [sigh].


Hmmm.. sounds like my wife, doesn't like it when the boat does that tippy
thing!

We got out for a while in her brothers power cruiser in a good blow last
summer,
damn near needed a kidney transplant after, but now she likes the sailboat
a lot
more.

That's why I changed from power to sail.


Now if I could just get her to keep quiet when the news is on......

heh hehWife swapping would be a complete waste of time for us.


Regards


Donal
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