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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow
USCG licensed Masters. This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. For those who disrespect and disbelieve the number on the document is 1045941. Expiration date is Dec. 11, 2008. I wish to remind all those who claimed it would take months to renew my license and possibly longer, I wish to further remind those who claimed I was incapable of submitting all paperwork in order and I wish to remind all those who claimed the Coast Guard was slow and inefficient that they were wrong as usual. The Coast Guard does a fine job and treats with professional courtesy and respect those who treat them the same. Please note that it took less than a month between the time I submitted my paperwork until I received the renewed license document. This is probably due, in part, because I treated the Officer in Charge of Marine Inspection with courtesy and respect by submitting my papers with everything in order and no nits to pick. I made his job even easier by living an exemplary life where any background checks revealed a model citizen. Merry Christmas to one and all from: Capt. Neal Master of Motor Vessels, Near Coastal Operator Uninspected Passenger Vessels |
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Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when I spend
my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I demand it, serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my garbage because I won't give a tip if you don't ????? Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to do? Huh? |
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Congratulations. I guess nobody in the office (you use New Orleans?) reads this
group! BTW, did they raise your tonnage limit? For the 50+ ton licenses, they usually bump it up every renewal. -jeff |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. Allow me to offer my congratulations! How does your USCG Masters licence compare with the(Internationally renowned) RYA Yachtmaster qualification? Do I have to look *up* to you, or should I offer words of encouragement? Regards Donal -- |
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Thanks. It remains at 25 GT.
New Orleans it was. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Congratulations. I guess nobody in the office (you use New Orleans?) reads this group! BTW, did they raise your tonnage limit? For the 50+ ton licenses, they usually bump it up every renewal. -jeff |
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Oz1 wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:37:04 -0000, "Donal" scribbled thusly: Allow me to offer my congratulations! How does your USCG Masters licence compare with the(Internationally renowned) RYA Yachtmaster qualification? Do I have to look *up* to you, or should I offer words of encouragement? Offer encouragement, his licence requires no examination of practical skills NOR sailing! It's a cruel world! ........ A beginner like me can look down on an expert like the great Capt. Neal! Regards Donal -- |
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Thank you. I think the U.S.C.G licenses rely more on 'book' knowledge and less on a practical exam as there is no practical exam at all out on a boat. I would say the U.S.C.G. license is more geared towards motor vessels and a master's responsibility in regards to that. Safety of life at sea is a very high priority. Being a Merchant Marine Officer is not like being a sailing yachtsman at all. While a sailing yachtsman is generally a better seaman by virtue if his intimacy with the sea, the Merchant Marine Officer is better versed in the rules and regulations concerning running a commercial ship and carrying passengers for hire. S.Simon "Donal" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. Allow me to offer my congratulations! How does your USCG Masters licence compare with the(Internationally renowned) RYA Yachtmaster qualification? Do I have to look *up* to you, or should I offer words of encouragement? Regards Donal -- |
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"JN" wrote in message ... Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when I spend my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I demand it, serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my garbage because I won't give a tip if you don't ????? Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to do? Huh? Here, folks, is an example of jealousy and lack of respect. JN is no gentleman. S.Simon |
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Oz1 wrote in message ... Nah, he can take you for a motor...no sail endorsment :-) You had better read up, little one, as you are wrong. I need no sail endorsement to take paying passengers out for a sail in my blue water voyager, "Cut the Mustard". Please consider the fact that my Coronado is an uninspected passenger vessel and I am a licensed Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels as well as being a Master of inspected passenger vessels. Poor Oz- bitter and discourteous as well as demonstrably ignorant. Tsk, tsk! S.Simon |
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From: "Simple Simon" Date: 12/22/2003 13:42 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. Sorry Neal, you're just a licensed boat operator. The wording on the license is USCG BS, cause they don't know no better....and before you try it...what could I possibly be jealous of..... This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. I'm not a "fellow Master". You're a boat operator, period. For those who disrespect and disbelieve the number on the document is 1045941. Expiration date is Dec. 11, 2008. I wish to remind all those who claimed it would take months to renew my license and possibly longer, I wish to further remind those who claimed I was incapable of submitting all paperwork in order and I wish to remind all those who claimed the Coast Guard was slow and inefficient that they were wrong as usual. Not really, we forgot you were only dealing with a simple near coastal operators license which requires no recertifications and minimal paperwork ...... you should have had it in 5 days, especially since you don't possess an MMD which you also needed to renew. The Coast Guard does a fine job and treats with professional courtesy and respect those who treat them the same. That may be, but they have no business issuing licenses .... they're not qualified, with the exception, possibly, of your category license. Please note that it took less than a month between the time I submitted my paperwork until I received the renewed license document. This is probably due, in part, because I treated the Officer in Charge of Marine Inspection with courtesy and respect by submitting my papers with everything in order and no nits to pick. I made his job even easier by living an exemplary life where any background checks revealed a model citizen. You never talked with the OCMI, just one of his/her underlings. Merry Christmas to one and all from: Capt. Neal Master of Motor Vessels of no more than 25 GT, Near Coastal Operator Uninspected Passenger Vessels of no more than 6 passengers You can't even get that right, so I corrected it for you. Shen |
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From: "Simple Simon" Date: 12/22/2003 17:04 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Oz1 wrote in message ... Nah, he can take you for a motor...no sail endorsment :-) You had better read up, little one, as you are wrong. I need no sail endorsement to take paying passengers out for a sail in my blue water voyager, "Cut the Mustard". Please consider the fact that my Coronado is an uninspected passenger vessel and I am a licensed Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels as well as being a Master of inspected passenger vessels. Poor Oz- bitter and discourteous as well as demonstrably ignorant. Tsk, tsk! S.Simon Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. |
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From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 12/22/2003 14:59 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Congratulations. I guess nobody in the office (you use New Orleans?) reads this group! BTW, did they raise your tonnage limit? For the 50+ ton licenses, they usually bump it up every renewal. -jeff Not unless he can show time in the higher license ....which we know he can't |
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From: "Donal" Date: 12/22/2003 15:37 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. Allow me to offer my congratulations! How does your USCG Masters licence compare with the(Internationally renowned) RYA Yachtmaster qualification? Do I have to look *up* to you, or should I offer words of encouragement? Regards Donal -- You can offer encouragement, but you'd be wasting your time. |
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From: "Simple Simon" Neal, don't try to talk about Merchant Marine Officers and licenses. You aren't one, don't hold one, never have and never will, no matter what some piece of paper says ....i.e., it's a subject, beyond your experience and comprehension. Shen Thank you. I think the U.S.C.G licenses rely more on 'book' knowledge and less on a practical exam as there is no practical exam at all out on a boat. I would say the U.S.C.G. license is more geared towards motor vessels and a master's responsibility in regards to that. Safety of life at sea is a very high priority. Being a Merchant Marine Officer is not like being a sailing yachtsman at all. While a sailing yachtsman is generally a better seaman by virtue if his intimacy with the sea, the Merchant Marine Officer is better versed in the rules and regulations concerning running a commercial ship and carrying passengers for hire. S.Simon |
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"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Here, folks, is an example of jealousy and lack of respect. JN is no gentleman. S.Simon Lack of respect ..... probably. I admit it, I'm a cad. No gentleman..... yur right, nope I ain't. Jealous ..... of what? You only need that license if you intend to take money for operating a vessel. I don't intend to so there's nothing for me to be jealous about. |
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and anybody that's 5'3'' or taller can look down at the both of you.
Scotty "Donal" wrote in message ... Oz1 wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:37:04 -0000, "Donal" scribbled thusly: Allow me to offer my congratulations! How does your USCG Masters licence compare with the(Internationally renowned) RYA Yachtmaster qualification? Do I have to look *up* to you, or should I offer words of encouragement? Offer encouragement, his licence requires no examination of practical skills NOR sailing! It's a cruel world! ........ A beginner like me can look down on an expert like the great Capt. Neal! Regards Donal -- |
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Oz1 wrote: On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:10:04 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: and anybody that's 5'3'' or taller can look down at the both of you. Scotty They're taller when they get off their knees! Yikes! You're ready for that vacation, aren't you? have fun LP |
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Oz1 wrote in message ...
You should take a look at the Yachtmasters, it's far more demanding than your silly little title. No, it isn't. |
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That and $1.50 will get you on the subway.
Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. This is to notify Misters Shen44, otnmbrd, Jeff Morris, Rick, Joe, Schoonertrash, Fulmor and any other of my fellow Masters who might be reading this announcement that I am in possession of my renewed U.S. Merchant Marine Officer license issued on 11 December, 2003. For those who disrespect and disbelieve the number on the document is 1045941. Expiration date is Dec. 11, 2008. I wish to remind all those who claimed it would take months to renew my license and possibly longer, I wish to further remind those who claimed I was incapable of submitting all paperwork in order and I wish to remind all those who claimed the Coast Guard was slow and inefficient that they were wrong as usual. The Coast Guard does a fine job and treats with professional courtesy and respect those who treat them the same. Please note that it took less than a month between the time I submitted my paperwork until I received the renewed license document. This is probably due, in part, because I treated the Officer in Charge of Marine Inspection with courtesy and respect by submitting my papers with everything in order and no nits to pick. I made his job even easier by living an exemplary life where any background checks revealed a model citizen. Merry Christmas to one and all from: Capt. Neal Master of Motor Vessels, Near Coastal Operator Uninspected Passenger Vessels |
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"JN" wrote in message . ..
Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when I spend my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I demand it, serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my garbage because I won't give a tip if you don't ????? Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to do? Thats the OZ yachtmaster ticket you must be talking about. I hear the only pratical test a "yachtmaster" has to take, is how quick he can get his knee pads on and off. Here in the USA licences are for working mariners. If you ever acted like that on any vessel I ran we would of stuffed you in the anchor chain locker in ruff seas. You would be stacking chain till you passed out and were buried in it. You better stick to your lubbery ways on a cruise ship were you belong, not a real ship were you earn, not buy, respect. Joe MSV RedCloud |
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We work cheap! $100 bucks a day and no benefits.
Must buy our own insurance and pay for our own drug tests. There are way too many captains available. S.Simon "Joe" wrote in message om... (Shen44) wrote in message ... ubject: And ??????? From: "Simple Simon" Date: 12/22/2003 17:04 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Oz1 wrote in message ... Nah, he can take you for a motor...no sail endorsment :-) You had better read up, little one, as you are wrong. I need no sail endorsement to take paying passengers out for a sail in my blue water voyager, "Cut the Mustard". Please consider the fact that my Coronado is an uninspected passenger vessel and I am a licensed Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessels as well as being a Master of inspected passenger vessels. Poor Oz- bitter and discourteous as well as demonstrably ignorant. Tsk, tsk! S.Simon Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Lots of fishing outfits in the gulf hire 25gters to run party boats. Why a water taxi would need a 100 ton captian is beyond me. Must be a supply and demand thing. Joe |
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Joe wrote: Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Lots of fishing outfits in the gulf hire 25gters to run party boats. Why a water taxi would need a 100 ton captian is beyond me. Must be a supply and demand thing. Joe G Either you've got a bunch of real small "party boats" down there, or some N.A.'s who really know how to play the GT game. |
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There are many places where small vessels are the
rule rather than the exception. Take the Florida Keys, for example. There are small head boats, ecotour boats, snorkel/dive boats, water taxis, etc. that average thirty feet or less. There are a couple of head boats in the fifty foot range that require a 100GT or greater license but those are few and far between. The greatest number of charter boats are those used for 'back country' fishing trips. These are outboard powered skiffs and captain hired by rich folks who like to fish. The Six Pak license is ideal for this. Fact be known more dollars are earned here under the auspices of the OUPV than all the other licenses combined. What does that make your license? Unnecessary and of little use. S.Simon "otnmbrd" wrote in message link.net... Joe wrote: Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Lots of fishing outfits in the gulf hire 25gters to run party boats. Why a water taxi would need a 100 ton captian is beyond me. Must be a supply and demand thing G Either you've got a bunch of real small "party boats" down there, or some N.A.'s who really know how to play the GT game. |
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Never been to the Florida Keys, have you? Imagine this, a tropical paradise
in which everyone wants to live, but there are very few jobs. What to do? They either sell t-shirts, wait tables, or take tourists out to the reef. There are soooooo many people trying to make a living on the water down there the captains will wipe your hiney-hole for you if you ask them. |
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Simple Simon wrote:
Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. Barf ... you demean the title. You are neither a professional or a master of anything. It is your sort who bring ridicule to the American licensing system. You are not now nor will you ever reach the standards of training and demonstrate the competence required of an officer of the Merchant Marine. You are a fraud and a wannabe. Your boat is a toy, a broken toy at that, and your only command is a keyboard. Rick |
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otnmbrd wrote in message hlink.net...
Joe wrote: Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Lots of fishing outfits in the gulf hire 25gters to run party boats. Why a water taxi would need a 100 ton captian is beyond me. Must be a supply and demand thing. Joe G Either you've got a bunch of real small "party boats" down there, or some N.A.'s who really know how to play the GT game. Yeah they buy up aluminum surplus oilfield bay boats put rails on them and wala. They still work the rigs. Plus alot of 6 pack type boats that troll the gulf for big game. Joe carry about 15-20 |
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Poor Rick demonstrates once again that he is a bitter, broken and petty man. One has to wonder just what his problem is. Maybe a severe case of erectile dysfunction. S.Simon "Rick" wrote in message link.net... Simple Simon wrote: Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. Hear ye, all my fellow USCG licensed Masters. Barf ... you demean the title. You are neither a professional or a master of anything. It is your sort who bring ridicule to the American licensing system. You are not now nor will you ever reach the standards of training and demonstrate the competence required of an officer of the Merchant Marine. You are a fraud and a wannabe. Your boat is a toy, a broken toy at that, and your only command is a keyboard. Rick |
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"Shen44" wrote in message ... Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Does that really matter? Don't people study, and take exams, just to learn about their subject? Isn't is possible to use your license every single time that you go sailing? Regards Donal -- |
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"Joe" wrote in message om... "JN" wrote in message . .. Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when I spend my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I demand it, serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my garbage because I won't give a tip if you don't ????? Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to do? Thats the OZ yachtmaster ticket you must be talking about. I hear the only pratical test a "yachtmaster" has to take, is how quick he can get his knee pads on and off. Here in the USA licences are for working mariners. Joe, it appears that you know as much about the Yachtmaster qualification as you do about international affairs. One of the tests involves sitting at the chart table, with the ports blacked out, and predicting your position to within a few metres. In other words, you have to sail (and navigate) the boat "blind". Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket? Regards Donal -- |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Oz1 wrote in message ... You should take a look at the Yachtmasters, it's far more demanding than your silly little title. No, it isn't. Pray tell. It would be interesting to know what the differences are. Regards Donal -- |
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Thank you, Donal.
Go to the head of the class. S.Simon "Donal" wrote in message ... "Shen44" wrote in message ... Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Does that really matter? Don't people study, and take exams, just to learn about their subject? Isn't is possible to use your license every single time that you go sailing? Regards Donal -- |
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The "chartwork" portion of the USCG test is actually rather demanding. Its not
so hard for those of us that learned to navigate the "old way," but a lot of newcomers have trouble with running fixes, etc. I know several people that passed the other portions but failed chartwork. While its true that the Yachtmaster test has a real live "hands on" component that is lacking in the USCG test, it is possible to get the highest level with only 2 months experience. The "Coastal Skipper" only requires a few weeks. On the other hand, 360 days of experience is required to get the lowest Master's license. Its virtually impossible for the seasonal recreational sailor to get this with less than 5 years experience. Even the "6-pack" Operators license requires this. Neal's "Near Coastal" Master's license requires 720 days, half of which must be "Near Coastal," which on the East Coast generally means 10 miles offshore, or outside of any protection. This is almost impossible to accumulate without extended cruising or professional service. The USCG license also has a series of tests, which take most of a day to complete. The rules test, in particular, is closed book, requires 90% to pass, and is rather tricky. In addition, there is a physical, drug test, first aid/CPR class, etc. And as Shen and Otn will point out, this is "entry level," and has little meaning in larger vessels. "Donal" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message om... "JN" wrote in message . .. Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when I spend my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I demand it, serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my garbage because I won't give a tip if you don't ????? Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to do? Thats the OZ yachtmaster ticket you must be talking about. I hear the only pratical test a "yachtmaster" has to take, is how quick he can get his knee pads on and off. Here in the USA licences are for working mariners. Joe, it appears that you know as much about the Yachtmaster qualification as you do about international affairs. One of the tests involves sitting at the chart table, with the ports blacked out, and predicting your position to within a few metres. In other words, you have to sail (and navigate) the boat "blind". Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket? Regards Donal -- |
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"Jeff Morris" wrote: The USCG license also has a series of tests, which take most of a day to complete. The rules test, in particular, is closed book, requires 90% to pass, and is rather tricky. In addition, there is a physical, drug test, first aid/CPR class, etc. And as Shen and Otn will point out, this is "entry level," and has little meaning in larger vessels. So what kind of license do you have to have to buy a Nordica 30 and sail it in the USA? LP |
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Lots of fishing outfits in the gulf hire 25gters to run party boats.
Why a water taxi would need a 100 ton captian is beyond me. Must be a supply and demand thing. Joe More of an insurance issue. The higher license generally will require a greater degree of experience and knowledge. Shen |
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What does that make your license? Unnecessary and
of little use. S.Simon No, G it makes his license more versatile and less restrictive. Shen |
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Yeah they buy up aluminum surplus oilfield bay boats put rails on them
and wala. They still work the rigs. Plus alot of 6 pack type boats that troll the gulf for big game. Joe 6-pac and 25 ton, as we know are two different things, most of what you are describing, seem to fall under the 6-pac, or are you saying people, people hire the 25 ton license holders to run boats which only need a 6-pac? As otn said, a 25 ton boat is fairly small. Shen |
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One of the tests involves sitting at the chart table, with the ports blacked out, and predicting your position to within a few metres. In other words, you have to sail (and navigate) the boat "blind". Interesting, what if any inputs do you get? Shen |
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From: "Donal" "Shen44" wrote Even the yacht harbor water taxi's I've seen, won't hire anyone with less than a 100 tn license. Your license is nothing, if you can't use it. Does that really matter? Depends on the person. In Neal's case, the only reason to have it, is to try and impress those who don't know better, for whatever reason. Don't people study, and take exams, just to learn about their subject? Yup, but you don't need a license to show that you've studied .... especially if you have no intention to use it. Isn't is possible to use your license every single time that you go sailing? It's possible and practical, to use the "knowledge" which you acquired in getting the license, but Neal NEVER uses his 25 ton license when he goes sailing, and his other license, is an "operators" license. Shen |
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"Shen44" wrote in message ... One of the tests involves sitting at the chart table, with the ports blacked out, and predicting your position to within a few metres. In other words, you have to sail (and navigate) the boat "blind". Interesting, what if any inputs do you get? Not much. ... The slapping of the waves on the hull?? Regards Donal -- |
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