"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"JN" wrote in message
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Now you're qualified to take me for an evening sail next summer when
I
spend
my annual week in the Keys and serve me a glass of wine when I
demand
it,
serve me a snack when I want it, and in general put up with all my
garbage
because I won't give a tip if you don't ?????

Huh, cappy wappy? Is that what your paper gives you permission to
do?


Thats the OZ yachtmaster ticket you must be talking about. I hear the
only pratical test a "yachtmaster" has to take, is how quick he can
get his knee pads on and off. Here in the USA licences are for working
mariners.

Joe, it appears that you know as much about the Yachtmaster
qualification as
you do about international affairs.

One of the tests involves sitting at the chart table, with the ports
blacked
out, and predicting your position to within a few metres.

Hmmm. I shouldn't have said "a few metres". I don't know what degree of
accuracy is required.


Big deal Donal. I use to run the Schaffer, Shane, Mississippi and the
Holma navigation canal and the houston ship channel at 25 knots and
the fog was so thick you could not see 2 foot.

2 foot!!! Now *that* is what I would call a peasouper!!



You could paint the
wheel house windows black and I could tell you ever dock we passed and
every stream that lead into the river and tell you every were every
shallow spot was.


Emmm. So what? Those things are all clearly identified on the chart,
aren't they?

Most are, but you learn the radar picture.






In other words, you have to sail (and navigate) the boat "blind".

Yea did it all the time carrying 100 passengers and half a million
dollars of tools, everyday. This time of year is the worst on the
Mississippi delta. But like I said Ive ran south and SW pass of the
mississippi in fog so thick you could cut it with a knife. Had to-the
helicopter could not fly. And I wasent farting around at 4 knots, we
usually ran at 25-30 knots.

No Coll Regs in your part of the world, huh?

Yes we have col regs and I obeyed them. Why do you ask. Is it because
of the speed we were running?






Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket?

Plotting is a major part of the test

But whats important is we had to do it everyday for real, and you
better be able to tune in a radar to pick up logs, perows, and plywood
hunk of **** boats unless you want some insane coonass to put a few 30
30 shells thru your wheelhouse.



I picked up a 2 gallon paint tin on my radar once. The visibility was about
2 feet, (or maybe 50 yards), and only a third of the can was sticking above
the water. The gain was set to "auto". Isn't modern technology a
wonderful thing?

With 50 yards visibility you should have no problem.



Regards


Donal
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Joe

(Joe) wrote in message . com...
"Donal" wrote in message ...
" Yea did it all the time carrying 100 passengers and half a million
dollars of tools, everyday. This time of year is the worst on the
Mississippi delta. But like I said Ive ran south and SW pass of the
mississippi in fog so thick you could cut it with a knife. Had to-the
helicopter could not fly. And I wasent farting around at 4 knots, we
usually ran at 25-30 knots.

No Coll Regs in your part of the world, huh?

Yes we have col regs and I obeyed them. Why do you ask. Is it because
of the speed we were running?

This is a sister ship off one of the boat I ran on the mississippi
servicing rigs in the mississippi canyon area :
http://www.carlmaples.com/oil_field_...UTF-8%26sa%3DG

Thats the Big Thunder, I worked boats called the Thunder Cloud, and
Thunder Storm. All the Thunder boat had a thunder names and were out
of Morgan City LA., thunder bolt, thunder chief, thunder

All fast boats and well equipt to run in peasoup. Had to 3 months a
year.

So again Im asking you why you asked about the colregs?

Joe
MSV RedCloud













Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket?

Plotting is a major part of the test

But whats important is we had to do it everyday for real, and you
better be able to tune in a radar to pick up logs, perows, and plywood
hunk of **** boats unless you want some insane coonass to put a few 30
30 shells thru your wheelhouse.



I picked up a 2 gallon paint tin on my radar once. The visibility was about
2 feet, (or maybe 50 yards), and only a third of the can was sticking above
the water. The gain was set to "auto". Isn't modern technology a
wonderful thing?

With 50 yards visibility you should have no problem.



Regards


Donal
--

Joe

Donal was right. You failed to comply with the rule
that states you must slow down to a safe speed in
restricted visibility. 25 knots is not a safe speed
in restricted visibility and is a direct violation of
the Rules.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
(Joe) wrote in message . com...
"Donal" wrote in message ...
" Yea did it all the time carrying 100 passengers and half a million
dollars of tools, everyday. This time of year is the worst on the
Mississippi delta. But like I said Ive ran south and SW pass of the
mississippi in fog so thick you could cut it with a knife. Had to-the
helicopter could not fly. And I wasent farting around at 4 knots, we
usually ran at 25-30 knots.

No Coll Regs in your part of the world, huh?

Yes we have col regs and I obeyed them. Why do you ask. Is it because
of the speed we were running?

This is a sister ship off one of the boat I ran on the mississippi
servicing rigs in the mississippi canyon area :

http://www.carlmaples.com/oil_field_...UTF-8%26sa%3DG

Thats the Big Thunder, I worked boats called the Thunder Cloud, and
Thunder Storm. All the Thunder boat had a thunder names and were out
of Morgan City LA., thunder bolt, thunder chief, thunder

All fast boats and well equipt to run in peasoup. Had to 3 months a
year.

So again Im asking you why you asked about the colregs?

Joe
MSV RedCloud













Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket?

Plotting is a major part of the test

But whats important is we had to do it everyday for real, and you
better be able to tune in a radar to pick up logs, perows, and plywood
hunk of **** boats unless you want some insane coonass to put a few 30
30 shells thru your wheelhouse.



I picked up a 2 gallon paint tin on my radar once. The visibility was about
2 feet, (or maybe 50 yards), and only a third of the can was sticking above
the water. The gain was set to "auto". Isn't modern technology a
wonderful thing?

With 50 yards visibility you should have no problem.



Regards


Donal
--

Joe

"Simple Simon" wrote in message ...
Donal was right. You failed to comply with the rule
that states you must slow down to a safe speed in
restricted visibility. 25 knots is not a safe speed
in restricted visibility and is a direct violation of
the Rules.

Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not unsafe.

Think Radar! Think Radio!

What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe to.

I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.

Joe
MSV RedCloud




S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
(Joe) wrote in message . com...
"Donal" wrote in message ...
" Yea did it all the time carrying 100 passengers and half a million
dollars of tools, everyday. This time of year is the worst on the
Mississippi delta. But like I said Ive ran south and SW pass of the
mississippi in fog so thick you could cut it with a knife. Had to-the
helicopter could not fly. And I wasent farting around at 4 knots, we
usually ran at 25-30 knots.

No Coll Regs in your part of the world, huh?

Yes we have col regs and I obeyed them. Why do you ask. Is it because
of the speed we were running?

This is a sister ship off one of the boat I ran on the mississippi
servicing rigs in the mississippi canyon area :

http://www.carlmaples.com/oil_field_...UTF-8%26sa%3DG

Thats the Big Thunder, I worked boats called the Thunder Cloud, and
Thunder Storm. All the Thunder boat had a thunder names and were out
of Morgan City LA., thunder bolt, thunder chief, thunder

All fast boats and well equipt to run in peasoup. Had to 3 months a
year.

So again Im asking you why you asked about the colregs?

Joe
MSV RedCloud













Do you have to do this for the USCG ticket?

Plotting is a major part of the test

But whats important is we had to do it everyday for real, and you
better be able to tune in a radar to pick up logs, perows, and plywood
hunk of **** boats unless you want some insane coonass to put a few 30
30 shells thru your wheelhouse.



I picked up a 2 gallon paint tin on my radar once. The visibility was about
2 feet, (or maybe 50 yards), and only a third of the can was sticking above
the water. The gain was set to "auto". Isn't modern technology a
wonderful thing?

With 50 yards visibility you should have no problem.



Regards


Donal
--

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Donal was right. You failed to comply with the rule
that states you must slow down to a safe speed in
restricted visibility. 25 knots is not a safe speed
in restricted visibility and is a direct violation of
the Rules.

Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not
unsafe.

Think Radar! Think Radio!

What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe to.

A yacht's lights are easier to see on a pitch black night than on a moonlit
night. However, in thick fog, you can't see anything!




I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.


That is really scary!

Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Donal was right. You failed to comply with the rule
that states you must slow down to a safe speed in
restricted visibility. 25 knots is not a safe speed
in restricted visibility and is a direct violation of
the Rules.

Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not
unsafe.

Think Radar! Think Radio!

What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe to.

A yacht's lights are easier to see on a pitch black night than on a moonlit
night. However, in thick fog, you can't see anything!

What about a tree trunk the size of a car? Any running lights on it,
How about a bouy, not all are lit. Hows about the typical weekend
warrior who forgot to turn on his running lights, hows about a rocky
jettie, how about a tow line and the million other things you can not
see on a pitch black night?




I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.


That is really scary!

To a lubber like you I imagine it is. Bet you would **** your pants
if you ever landed on a airplane in the fog two. But 100's of them do
it every day.

Regards,

Joe

Regards


Donal
--

Joe,

You're always in a fog.

S.Simon


"Joe" wrote in message om...
"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Joe" wrote in message
om...
"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
Donal was right. You failed to comply with the rule
that states you must slow down to a safe speed in
restricted visibility. 25 knots is not a safe speed
in restricted visibility and is a direct violation of
the Rules.

Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not
unsafe.

Think Radar! Think Radio!

What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe to.

A yacht's lights are easier to see on a pitch black night than on a moonlit
night. However, in thick fog, you can't see anything!

What about a tree trunk the size of a car? Any running lights on it,
How about a bouy, not all are lit. Hows about the typical weekend
warrior who forgot to turn on his running lights, hows about a rocky
jettie, how about a tow line and the million other things you can not
see on a pitch black night?




I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.


That is really scary!

To a lubber like you I imagine it is. Bet you would **** your pants
if you ever landed on a airplane in the fog two. But 100's of them do
it every day.

Regards,

Joe

Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe
to.

A yacht's lights are easier to see on a pitch black night than on a
moonlit
night. However, in thick fog, you can't see anything!

What about a tree trunk the size of a car? Any running lights on it,
How about a bouy, not all are lit. Hows about the typical weekend
warrior who forgot to turn on his running lights, hows about a rocky
jettie, how about a tow line and the million other things you can not
see on a pitch black night?

Are you really claiming that it is easy to avoid hitting a tree trunk at 25
kts? Are you saying that you think that it is easier to miss a buoy at 25
kts than at 4 kts??

Pull the other one, Joe -- I put some bells on it, just for you.



That is really scary!

To a lubber like you I imagine it is. Bet you would **** your pants
if you ever landed on a airplane in the fog two. But 100's of them do
it every day.


Well, these days it is easy to land a plane. They land themselves.
Fog has nothing at all to do with landing a modern aircraft.



Regards


Donal
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"Joe" wrote in message om...
Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not unsafe.

Think Radar! Think Radio!

What about 20 knots on a pitch black dark night, guess thats unsafe to.

I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.

Yes, I know. But, that certainly doesn't make it right or safe.
And, if and when a collision occurs, real captains suffer legal
consequences.

Pitch black night is not considered restricted visibility.
Go twenty knots in those conditions and it's generally
complying with the Rules of the Road. Lights are visible.
Do the same in a heavy fog and you're wrong and somebody
is going to eventually end up dead because of it.

Shame on you.

S.Simon

my comments at bottom;
"Joe" wrote in message
Bull****. 20 knots in fog using the proper aids to navigation is not unsafe.

I got news for you Neal, real captains do it all the time.

S Simon Wrote:

Yes, I know. But, that certainly doesn't make it right or safe.
And, if and when a collision occurs, real captains suffer legal
consequences.

Pitch black night is not considered restricted visibility.
Go twenty knots in those conditions and it's generally
complying with the Rules of the Road. Lights are visible.
Do the same in a heavy fog and you're wrong and somebody
is going to eventually end up dead because of it.


I recall just such an accident happened in fog between the Fort Meyers
Ferry and a small fishing boat, which I reported to Alt Sail ASA back
in 2001 during a thread on navigating in fog:
heres the text, link below;

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During a recent fog on the Florida west coast
the Ft Meyers Ferry (FT Meyers - Key West)
collided with a small fishing vessel in fog, 1 dead, two injured.
From
the photos in the local
paper, the smaller vessels bow/fwd quarter hit the ferrys stb. side.

of course, _Both_ vessels are at fault as a collision should have been
avoidable had Both vessels been maintaining a prudent speed and watch.

The Ferry has multiple radar, the fishing vessel had a substantial
aluminum framed T-top with above console mounted electronics box (not
just a bimini)

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link

http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&l...net%26rnum%3D1