Still working on it aren't you? If anyone rereads the posts they will
see that I was offering YOU a way of explaing YOUR ideas. Hence the
elliptical wing which I did not discuss.

But the real point is that you try to besmirch me yet again by saying
that I "conveniently dropped the distinction between section & profile
when discussing aerodynamic shapes" which is plainly a lie. There was no
convenience about it. You did not pick up and discuss elipitical
theories anyway. Furthermore I certainly did not use the terms "section
and profile" -as i said. So try to twist as you want but but you are
still a liar.

C'mon why don't you threaten me again with a hiding? Why not come here
and deliver it in person?

Cheers MC


DSK wrote:


The navigator© wrote:


- conveniently dropped the distinction between section & profile when
discussing aerodynamic shapes


I never used those terms so this a pure fabrication. This shows you
again to be a complete liar. You really are pathetic in your attempts to
dicredit me. So come on, post the evidence you liar.


Nope, sad to say, it is quite true. Not only that, you began the discussion about
lift/drag ratios and relative developed power in light air, and then claimed it was
more important to reduce heeling moment.

Now (drum roll please) the bare facts, from the Google archive

From: DSK )
Subject: Hey simple!
Newsgroups: alt.sailing.asa
Date: 2003-11-28 04:27:51 PST


The navigator© wrote:


I wonder if our disagreement arises because your theories are based on
ideas originating from the "eliptical wing" and a desire to make the
main adopt an eliptical shape as far as camber is concerned (by making
the top fuller)?


Huh? AFAIK the elliptical wing is usually referred to profile, not section shape.

So, I can definitely say, no that's not it.



Increasing fullness also helps solve the roach support
problem -which is offset in modern sails with full length battens and
stiffer fabrics. Some sudies (e.g. here at Auckland) have shown this is
not correct for high aspect roachy mains where the camber (and lift)
should be reduced at the top of the sail to reduce heeling moment.


Hello? Why are you talking about 'reducing heeling moment' in light air?


In
the extreme case, negative (!) camber could improve performance by
reducing the heeling of the vessel..


Yes it could, but not in light air.

*** *** ***

There you have it folks. Yet another fine example of Navvie© losing his grip on his
own malarkey and attempting to change the subject. Happens every time he tries to
discuss real sailing... check the record.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

MC, have you implanted some Neal and Booby genes in yourself as some =
weird experiment? ala Isle of Dr. Moreau? Your strident and =
argumentative tone suggests all is not well in NZ.

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein

NO I want my MONEY.

Cheers MC

katysails wrote:

MC, have you implanted some Neal and Booby genes in yourself as some weird experiment? ala Isle of Dr. Moreau? Your strident and argumentative tone suggests all is not well in NZ.

The navigator© wrote:

NO I want my MONEY.

Well then, you'll have to win the bet.

So far you have lost pathetically, and if you don't mind your manners a little better you might find yourself with a bit of legal bother. A lawyer who hangs around our office says it
could well be actionable as slander and certainly malicious mischief, to title one's posts with another person's name and call them a liar.

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

Well ask your friend about threats. And as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro? That was a lie
and you know it. So ask your friend how publishing the truth is actionable?

Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?
As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends and I'm
waiting for you to simply agree to send the money to a third party! IYou
see, I don't think you are honorable at all and I don't trust youi to
pay up -hence the need for an intermediary. After all, if I reveal my
information why would someone like you pay up?

Cheers MC


DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:

The fact that I am the one presenting accurate and truthful information has no legal import, apparently.

DSK

The navigator© wrote:

... as for truth what about your
truthful statment that the LPS of 180 for a Bolger Micro?

You can calculate whatever LPOS you think best, but if the boat rolls back up from a capsize then as far as I
(and the *real* world) am concerned, it might as well be 180.



Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?

I want you to either send me my money, in US funds, and quit your blather about things you don't know anything
about.


As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends

Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

DSK

DSK wrote:

The navigator© wrote:


You can calculate whatever LPOS you think best, but if the boat rolls back up from a capsize then as far as I
(and the *real* world) am concerned, it might as well be 180.

This would seem a very importnt point, Doug -are you saying you have no
idea what LPS is?



Now, who do you want as an itermediary for the resolution of this bet?


I want you to either send me my money, in US funds, and quit your blather about things you don't know anything
about.


As I've said, I've got the name of at least one pocket cruiser, a design
of a boat with 180 LPS, my calculations and Bolger and Friends


Well, tell us all the name of your pocket cruiser and the specs.

How will you pay if I do? I want you to send the money to an
intermediary. What's so hard to understand about that? It's standard
practice for wagers! Come on answer the question, who do you want to act
as intermediary? Would you trust my barrister to execute the terms of
the wager?


DSK

NO I want my MONEY.

Cheers MC

Why? It's not like it's worth anything....

--=20
katysails
s/v Chanteuse
Kirie Elite 32
http://katysails.tripod.com

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax
and get used to the idea." - Robert A. Heinlein