Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

All boats have limitations, but a sailor doesn't have to be limited by his
or her boat.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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I can see you are aware of the limitations of the vessel you own. That
is a good sign. Now take that fool DSK whon thinks a Bolger micro with
open bow(!) and ustayed rig is a better seaboat than a Cornish crabber.
With ideas like that it's not surising he's run away from sailing. He
probably thinks that 50' from shore is offshore!

Cheers MC


Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Given that I've only had my boat out the Gate once and given that
it's only 20 feet, I'm not sure I can say that it's seaworthy as far
as offshore goes. In fact, I'm sure it isn't. It is capable of safe
operation in the bay, however. I carry all required safety
equipment, and I have lots of extra good-idea items also. Here,
the CG is only interested in you if you're either boarded on a
spot inspection or get into trouble. There is little, if any
consideration
given to prevention. You would not believe some of the vessels
that transit the bay no less leave the bay. People die and boats
capsize and sink quite regularly in the bay itself. Many of the
reasons are alcohol related, but a lot are either due to stupidity or
a crap boat (well, I guess those are the same thing).

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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It seems to me that there is not much idea around here as to what
constitutes seaworthiness. Here in NZ the conditions are more
challenging than in many other places and to sail offshore requires
great attention to detail and sound knowlege of your vessel. Many people
here might consider their vessels "seaworthy", but let me remind you
that seworthiness is a state of preparedness and safely for major
passages and suitabiliuty for storm conditions.

Here in NZ we have to get vessels inspected every 2 years for their
seaworthiness and without a CAT1 clearance the vessel is not allowed to
leave (if owned by a NZ resident). The inspection takes up to ~2 hours
and the inspector also questions the skipper on hisd seamanship (it
helps if you already have qualifications like Ocean yactmaster or even
Coastal skipper) for it is also the application his knowlege that makes
the vessel seaworthy (or not). In many cases vessel arrive here from
overseas which are patently unseaworthy and these days they are allowed
to leave -after a strong talking to by the inspector as to why their
vessels are unsuitable and what will likely happen to them in bad
conditions. For that reason, it would seem that many US and EU vessels
arrive but never leave.

When the real sailor thinks about his vessel he thinks about how she
will cope if hit by storm force winds in the open sea if he wishes to
call his vessel seaworthy. If the vessel is not seworthy then it is just
a toy for amusement on nice fair wind days. The question is, to you
have a toy or a seaworthy vessel? How many people here even have a strom
jib?

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

Cheers MC

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

I think that both you, and Doug, have a lot to offer.

Doug does seem to know quite a bit about boats. That shouldn't provoke an
emotional response.



Regards


Donal
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Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?


I think that both you, and Doug, have a lot to offer.

Doug does seem to know quite a bit about boats. That shouldn't provoke an
emotional response.


He does know some things and when he's right, I'm not perverse and I
don't disagree with him. But on some technical issues -usually about
design and materials -he is wrong. When his mistaken ideas are presented
as a fact that may influence anothers action then I feel that one should
object to it. Of course one might say that this is an alt group and so
caveat emptor applies, I hope we sailors are far more responsible people
than most. For instance, suppose a newbie searched the archive and, as a
result of Dougs posting thought that a Bolger micro would be a safe boat
in a gale and did not seek protection early enough? The though of being
caught offshore in a vessel as unseaworthy as the micro should be an
anathema to any sailor unless they are suicidal. I say that it must be
made very clear that such boats are suitable for pottering around on
placid safe waters and nothing more. As such, they are probably great
fun and certainly cheap and easy to build. If that gets people sailing
then that's good too. But let's also remember that thousands of people
risk their lives and are rescued every year because they assumed that
their boats are up to any condition that they may find themselves in
when they are not -at least not with the level of expertise that they
have on board.

Consider also this, many sailors today will still lie ahull in a storm
despite proof that a breaking wave at sea will overturn any small boat
caugh abeam. For some reason they think the designer must have designed
the vessel to be safe when used like that. This thinking is as stupid as
the people that rely on air bags to protect them from their atrocious
driving and I for one would wish to help dispel the huge amounts
misinformation in this medium.


Cheers MC

The navigator© wrote:

...I for one would wish to help dispel the huge amounts
misinformation in this medium.

The best way to do that would be to not post here any more. You could avoid
falling into debt, too.

DSK

Well, you know all about crap. Why don't you tell us.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

Cheers MC

I though I was -or do you think a Bolger micro has an LPS of 180 degrees
too?

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, you know all about crap. Why don't you tell us.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

Cheers MC

Sorry, no nothing about Bolger micros.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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I though I was -or do you think a Bolger micro has an LPS of 180 degrees
too?

Cheers MC

Jonathan Ganz wrote:

Well, you know all about crap. Why don't you tell us.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


Jonathan Ganz wrote:


Well, I like Doug, so I won't comment.

Are you a coprophiliac or are you taken in by his endless BS?

Cheers MC

I've never laughed at an emergency tiller.
Finding it then fitting it is the laugh.

My C&C has a stainless steel shaft mounted in the aft locker. It fits neatly
over an exposed fitting in the cockpit. At the top of the shaft is a T shaped
handle.
Even with my formidable upper body strength, I doubt I could steer for long
with so little leverage in rough conditions.
I could lash a length of wood to it and increase leverage...
I think I'll run out and make the mod now!


RB