That's not correct. IBS is in no way a harbinger of either
cancer nor UC. However, it is a disabling disease for many
people. It's one of the leading causes of workplace absense.

Incorrect, Jonathan. Many patients with IBS develop UC and many patients with
UC develope Chrons. No one knows why, just as no one can find a full genetic
link with these diseases. Cancer is a higher risk due to steroid based drugs
employed in the treatments and weakened imune systems. UC patients off-meds are
still 20 times more likely to devlope colon cancer. The reason I know about
this is that two people in my life suffered from IBS and UC. Both suffered from
IBS prior to full blown UC. One of them is dead.
If someone in your life has IBS or UC there is an excellent Newsgroup where
you can get support and advise.
Try Alt.Support.Crohns-Colitis. This is why I can't get into a trolling war
with Donal with a disease at the center.

RB

Irritating Bull ****


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Pity. Irritable Bowel Syndrome would have suited you.

IBS is a disabling illness for some patients. Many find that it
eventually
leads to an ultimate diagnosis of UC, which often require multiple
surgeries
and meds that leave some prone to various types of cancer.
Something to joke about or wish on someone? Maybe for Donal or Neal.


C'mon. You know that it would have suited you!

An asshole with irritable bowel syndrome would be too funny.
We'd have piles of laughs!


Regards


Donal
--

Bobsprit wrote:

It's a matter of semantics. "Own" implies that you have more or less
exclusive use of and control over the subject in question. I'm glad
you're pleased with your lot in life. Many with more are not.

Of course I'm happy! Have you ever taken notice of how much of the world lives?
Our cable bills could feed whole villages. Donal and Loco's lame comments over
who's boat is better is just plain sad. We are all VERY lucky to have what we
have.

RB

Question is, why are we not happy?

RB

Question is, why are we not happy?


Happiness is a very relative term. For some people simple mortality is enough
to plague any chance for true happiness. I often envy simple folk who seem
satisfied with a modest lifestyle and a hard job. I think television and the
media in general programs the vast majority to constantly seek to "upgrade"
every aspect of their lives. I've never upgraded anything. I only seek a new
experience when I buy something new, better or worse. For me that is what's
fun.
This is what Donal and many others simply don't get. I taunt him with my
"better boat" but in truth there's no such thing. If I owned a rowboat I'd
still be a lucky fellow.
A true key to happiness is genuine perspective.

RB

Donal wrote:

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Pity. Irritable Bowel Syndrome would have suited you.

IBS is a disabling illness for some patients. Many find that it eventually
leads to an ultimate diagnosis of UC, which often require multiple
surgeries
and meds that leave some prone to various types of cancer.
Something to joke about or wish on someone? Maybe for Donal or Neal.

C'mon. You know that it would have suited you!

An asshole with irritable bowel syndrome would be too funny.
We'd have piles of laughs!


Ouch...that's below the belt, Donal...anyway, Bobsprit's _our_
anal pain, not his own.

--
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-------------------------
Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace!
http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com

You are completely and totally wrong. alt.whatever has
nothing to do with reality. You're talking about anecdotal
evidence vs. actual reliable data.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
That's not correct. IBS is in no way a harbinger of either
cancer nor UC. However, it is a disabling disease for many
people. It's one of the leading causes of workplace absense.

Incorrect, Jonathan. Many patients with IBS develop UC and many patients
with
UC develope Chrons. No one knows why, just as no one can find a full
genetic
link with these diseases. Cancer is a higher risk due to steroid based
drugs
employed in the treatments and weakened imune systems. UC patients
off-meds are
still 20 times more likely to devlope colon cancer. The reason I know
about
this is that two people in my life suffered from IBS and UC. Both suffered
from
IBS prior to full blown UC. One of them is dead.
If someone in your life has IBS or UC there is an excellent Newsgroup
where
you can get support and advise.
Try Alt.Support.Crohns-Colitis. This is why I can't get into a trolling
war
with Donal with a disease at the center.

RB

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
This is why I can't get into a trolling war
with Donal with a disease at the center.

Nonsense! You will just have to try harder.

I'd behave a bit more sympathetically if *I* didn't also have to
"dissappear" from the ng occassionally. However, there is no point in being
a wimp about it. This is Usenet. You cannot portray yourself as the most
obnoxious person on the planet - and then expect sympathy because you have
some, unidentified, illness.


Grow up, you big baby! You will get no sympathy here.



Regards


Donal
--

You cannot portray yourself as the most
obnoxious person on the planet - and then expect sympathy because you have
some, unidentified, illness.

No one expects sympathy. I don't have IBS or UC. But using diseases as a
trolling element or insult just isn't my bag.
Sorry.

RB

You are completely and totally wrong. alt.whatever has
nothing to do with reality. You're talking about anecdotal
evidence vs. actual reliable data.

I have been dealing with UC for 22 years. I'm quite informed on the subject,
including familial link data, cancer statistics and new treatments, including
the Austrialian anti-biotic cocktail that was tested with some success on UC
patients. Because of a sad occurence I know quite a bit about the realities and
devestating effects of these diseases.
I have no wish to debate them tit-for-tat in this forum. Should you want to
know more, e-mail me directly. I also have info on a new med released last year
that is having some success for IBS and UC, though it's expensive.

RB

You're talking about anecdotal
evidence vs. actual reliable data.


Because of the highly variable symptoms for UC and IBS, just about every study
made has been based on anecdotal data, inlcuding the familial link statistics
cited recently at 15-20%, below the keying factor. As for cancer rates, IBS
patients have a higher rate and UC patients are told to get scoped twice as
often for just this reason. A person with UC needs to be scoped at a younger
age as well. Some doctors suggest 35 as a starting point.
Here's a link.
http://ibscrohns.about.com/library/b...itiscancer.htm

And this from the CFSN site:

Irritable bowel syndrome is an epidemic in the United States. More than 5% of
the population is afflicted by "idiopathic" (cause unknown) bowel discomfort,
urgency, and diarrhea type symptoms. IBS can progress to colitis, but is
different in that colonoscopy finds no obvious pathological changes in the
bowel.

RB