Now how smart is that?
After someone posts his addy on the net (SUZANNE L MILLER ,8450 AUSTIN ST
APT 4K ,KEW GARDENS, NY 11415) he then announces that no one will be home
tonight?


Scotty


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
Good luck. I hope it goes well.

Cheers MC

Bobsprit wrote:

Party at Bob's house tonight. If you don't know how to get there, you
can get a map and driving directions at MapQuest.com.

Hey, I won't be home. Shot is is opening tonight at the Village East and
I have
to give a speech introducing the film.

Have fun!

RB

poor Skitch? Oh, right, everyone seems poor to you.

Scooty

Capt. Kangaroo wrote...

Yeah poor Skitch will be having fits...a yacht ...incorporated.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

You forgot the phone number. How are
we supposed to call and confirm?

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Is this the right address?

SUZANNE L MILLER
8450 AUSTIN ST APT 4K
KEW GARDENS, NY 11415

will there be hor de hors?

Scotty

wrote

Party at Bob's house tonight. If you don't know how to get there, you
can get a map and driving directions at MapQuest.com.

BB

inspirational!

Capt. Kangaroo wrote

Nah, We've got rich pig farmers too!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I have always understood the measurement and I never even
saw or looked at your stupid link.

I measured my own boat for tonnage as required when I got
my original Master's license so I could list the tonnage of the
vessel on the sea time papers. In case you've never noticed
my deck is my coach roof. Only on flat decked boats with
no house or structure above the topsides does the depth
measurement exist as you state it. If cargo can be carried
in shelter under the house the area therein counts in the
volume that defines the tonnage.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
A fair explanation, but your first several posts on the topic indicated you did not
understand the measurement. It was only after I posted the link to the measurement that
you started to get it close to right.

Modern measurement of tonnage does not generally measure to the coachroof, it only goes up
to the deck. Thus, a vessel with full headroom might only be listed at 5 feet. My old
Nonsuch, with generous headroom ( 6.5 feet ?) is listed as having a 5.6 foot Depth.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are misinformed. Documentation looks at tonnage
and tonnage is a measure of volume and has little
to do with displacement.

Allow me to quote an authority - Eric Hiscock from his
fine book, "Cruising Under Sail".

"Depth is an internal measurement taken from the underside
of the deck amidships to the top of the main keel."

"Tonnage is found by calculating the capacity of the hull
and then making certain deductions for engine space,
stores, chartroom, etc."

In other words, tonnage, when documenting a vessel, is
a figure that represents internal volume and ability
to haul cargo therein. This type of tonnage actually
is derived from the word 'tun', which is a cask used in the
wine trade and the size of a ship used to be judged by the
number of tuns that could be stowed in the holds.

I'm surprised an old salt like you is so ignorant when
it comes to documented tonnage.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

You disappoint me Scotty.

MC

Scott Vernon wrote:

Is this the right address?

SUZANNE L MILLER
8450 AUSTIN ST APT 4K
KEW GARDENS, NY 11415

will there be hor de hors?

Scotty

wrote

Party at Bob's house tonight. If you don't know how to get there, you
can get a map and driving directions at MapQuest.com.

BB

Scotty, I'm proud of you!

After all the hateful rhetoric Booby has
spewed against you and yours over the years
it's good to see what went around coming
around . . .

S.Simon


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
Is this the right address?

SUZANNE L MILLER
8450 AUSTIN ST APT 4K
KEW GARDENS, NY 11415

will there be hor de hors?

Scotty

wrote

Party at Bob's house tonight. If you don't know how to get there, you
can get a map and driving directions at MapQuest.com.

BB

That doesn't change the definition of depth.

The measure of depth is as I stated above and it includes
the house or raised deck or a yacht. I ragged on Booby
for having the incorrect depth listed on the documentation.

It is still incorrect on the documentation.


S.Simon


wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:17:08 -0500, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

A fair explanation, but your first several posts on the topic indicated you did not
understand the measurement. It was only after I posted the link to the measurement that
you started to get it close to right.

Modern measurement of tonnage does not generally measure to the coachroof, it only goes up
to the deck. Thus, a vessel with full headroom might only be listed at 5 feet. My old
Nonsuch, with generous headroom ( 6.5 feet ?) is listed as having a 5.6 foot Depth.


Here is all that matters when measuring for purpose of documentation, including
diagrams for the terminally stupid, who don't have a good grasp of English.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc/T3/SIMP_formula_infosht.pdf

What anybody "thinks" doesn't count. This is what the ruling authority says you
MUST do to comply with the law.

BB

Simple,

Boy, are you full of ****! Tonnage is taken from "TON" get lost with
your Tun BS

Hiscock is a good authority. By your own quote; "Depth is an internal
measurement taken from the deck ( that Part of the boat connected to the
Gunnel, that you walk on going around the cabin to get to your stupid
hanked on sails) at mid ship to the top of the keel!!! Probably around
5 ft on your craft. What the Hell is so hard to understand about that?

Displacement; minus engine, shaft, mountings, bulkheads and etc that
water cannot displace, leaves the rest of the volume to be calculated
and converted to the weight of WATER!! Go drink your damn wine, it has
nothing to do with displacement

Now, if you want to further demonstrate you ignorance, refute this
statement. That will be the last word. I'll not get into a yes it is, no
it isn't with you.

So. UP YOURS !!! AND "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!!"

Ole Thom

So you're saying that your experience is limited to your boat, which is probably too small
to qualify. Since you didn't understand the regs, you made up you own interpretation,
rather than consult the official link.

This goes a long way towards understanding your odd concepts about the ColRegs.

The rules are fairly clear, the "coach" is not included; the measurement is taken from the
deck, at the side of the hull:

DEPTH (D) is the vertical distance taken at or near amidships from a line drawn
horizontally through
the uppermost edges of the skin (outside planking or plating) at the sides of the hull
(excluding the
cap rail, trunks, cabins and deckhouses, and deck caps) to the outboard face of the bottom
skin of
the hull, excluding the keel. If your vessel is designed for sailing and the interface
between the
"keel" and the "bottom skin of the hull" is not at a clearly defined location (as is the
case with an
"integral" or "faired" keel), include the keel in the depth measurement.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/msc/t3/cg5397/cg5397.pdf

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
I have always understood the measurement and I never even
saw or looked at your stupid link.

I measured my own boat for tonnage as required when I got
my original Master's license so I could list the tonnage of the
vessel on the sea time papers. In case you've never noticed
my deck is my coach roof. Only on flat decked boats with
no house or structure above the topsides does the depth
measurement exist as you state it. If cargo can be carried
in shelter under the house the area therein counts in the
volume that defines the tonnage.

S.Simon


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
A fair explanation, but your first several posts on the topic indicated you did not
understand the measurement. It was only after I posted the link to the measurement
that
you started to get it close to right.

Modern measurement of tonnage does not generally measure to the coachroof, it only
goes up
to the deck. Thus, a vessel with full headroom might only be listed at 5 feet. My
old
Nonsuch, with generous headroom ( 6.5 feet ?) is listed as having a 5.6 foot Depth.



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
You are misinformed. Documentation looks at tonnage
and tonnage is a measure of volume and has little
to do with displacement.

Allow me to quote an authority - Eric Hiscock from his
fine book, "Cruising Under Sail".

"Depth is an internal measurement taken from the underside
of the deck amidships to the top of the main keel."

"Tonnage is found by calculating the capacity of the hull
and then making certain deductions for engine space,
stores, chartroom, etc."

In other words, tonnage, when documenting a vessel, is
a figure that represents internal volume and ability
to haul cargo therein. This type of tonnage actually
is derived from the word 'tun', which is a cask used in the
wine trade and the size of a ship used to be judged by the
number of tuns that could be stowed in the holds.

I'm surprised an old salt like you is so ignorant when
it comes to documented tonnage.

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Simple,

Once again I'm sorry to say, you are wrong.

The depth has to do with the height of the HULL. When you spoke of
tonnage, you were referring to displacement. Displacement refers to the
weight of the water displaced by the HULL. The Hull is measured from the
Gunnel to the top of the keel. The tonnage has to do with displaced
water not cargo space.

It is not measured to the cabin overhead, any more than it is measure to
the height of the cockpit floor. The 5 ft Measurement is probably
correct. Superstructure doesn't count.

The measurements on the application is just another example of Coast
Guard "Gobble-de-Gook" The CG acts like it is their duty to make
anything simple a subject to a complicated interruption.

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom