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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers?
Are they sailing vessels? Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. What would you do? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Hold course and speed.... deploy the crew forward with water balloon
launcher and 20 foot bullwhip. Alter course as required to maintain firing distance. Determine gender of oncoming kite surfer and if female..... offer 20 bucks to the gunnery crew if they can knock her bikini off. Come on Donal..... I outweigh the bugger by 10500 lbs. CM "Donal" wrote in message ... | How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? | | | Are they sailing vessels? | | | Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite | surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing | about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. | | What would you do? | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Little trickier in this part of the world. We're assuming you may be
referring to any civil liability attached to collision? I just spent some time sailing with someone who has been called as an expert witness on several occasions. One of the incidents involved a collision between a windsurfer and a powerboat, with the windsurfer running into the aft section of the powerboat. The surfer was seriously injured, in fact his life was probably saved by the pb operator who happened to be an m.d. The m.d.was sued, an arbitrator decided that the blame should be divided. Go figure. I would bear off for the windsurfer, since he is a vessel under sail and not passing, Funny you should use the # 25 kts., that was the number mentioned in the story I was told. John Cairns "Donal" wrote in message ... How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? Are they sailing vessels? Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. What would you do? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Who is on starboard...
Cheers MC Donal wrote: How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? Are they sailing vessels? Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. What would you do? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Aww don't be jealous again. Try a diet and you'll be able to kite surf too!
Cheers MC Capt. Mooron wrote: Hold course and speed.... deploy the crew forward with water balloon launcher and 20 foot bullwhip. Alter course as required to maintain firing distance. Determine gender of oncoming kite surfer and if female..... offer 20 bucks to the gunnery crew if they can knock her bikini off. Come on Donal..... I outweigh the bugger by 10500 lbs. CM "Donal" wrote in message ... | How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? | | | Are they sailing vessels? | | | Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite | surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing | about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. | | What would you do? | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Who is on starboard... Cheers MC Donal wrote: How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? Are they sailing vessels? Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a kite surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. What would you do? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Who is on starboard... Good question. We are heading north, and the wind is from the west. Therefore, we are on port tack. How do we determine which tack a kite surfer is on? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
The wind is coming over his starboard rail.
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... Who is on starboard... Good question. We are heading north, and the wind is from the west. Therefore, we are on port tack. How do we determine which tack a kite surfer is on? Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Capetanios Oz wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:31:40 -0000, "Donal" wrote: How do we determine which tack a kite surfer is on? Same way you always do! Kite surfer don't have booms. Try again. Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
They can't sue if they're dead!
CM "John Cairns" wrote in message ... | Little trickier in this part of the world. We're assuming you may be | referring to any civil liability attached to collision? I just spent some | time sailing with someone who has been called as an expert witness on | several occasions. One of the incidents involved a collision between a | windsurfer and a powerboat, with the windsurfer running into the aft section | of the powerboat. The surfer was seriously injured, in fact his life was | probably saved by the pb operator who happened to be an m.d. The m.d.was | sued, an arbitrator decided that the blame should be divided. Go figure. I | would bear off for the windsurfer, since he is a vessel under sail and not | passing, Funny you should use the # 25 kts., that was the number mentioned | in the story I was told. | John Cairns | "Donal" wrote in message | ... | How do the coll regs apply to kite surfers? | | | Are they sailing vessels? | | | Imagine that you are sailing North in a westerly breeze, when you see a | kite | surfer dead on the bow. It is still a good distance off, but it is doing | about 25 kts. - and it is on a collission course. | | What would you do? | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | | |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
The Colregs don't talk about booms donal.
Cheers MC Donal wrote: Capetanios Oz wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:31:40 -0000, "Donal" wrote: How do we determine which tack a kite surfer is on? Same way you always do! Kite surfer don't have booms. Try again. Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The Colregs don't talk about booms donal. Correct! How would *you* determine which tack a kite surfer was on? BTW, I can see that Oz has posted a reply to me in this thread. Unfortunately, as I have a crap ISP, I cannot see the message! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The wind is coming over his starboard rail. No, it isn't! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
You look at the sail. It is downwind from the surfer. If you know the
direction of the surfer then all is elementary my dear Donal. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The Colregs don't talk about booms donal. Correct! How would *you* determine which tack a kite surfer was on? BTW, I can see that Oz has posted a reply to me in this thread. Unfortunately, as I have a crap ISP, I cannot see the message! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
It isn't? You are heading north in a westerly and he's coming toward you
from ahead? On my thinking the wind would be coming over the starboard rail -no? Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The wind is coming over his starboard rail. No, it isn't! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It isn't? You are heading north in a westerly and he's coming toward you from ahead? On my thinking the wind would be coming over the starboard rail -no? What rail? The kite surfers that I have seen are only two, to three foot long. Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Capetanios Oz wrote in message ... BTW what tack is a boat on when it's head to wind? A Power driven vessel doesn't have a "tack". Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Capetanios Oz wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:41:43 -0000, "Donal" wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The Colregs don't talk about booms donal. Correct! You looked it up eh? Guilty! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always.
Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels. Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of the United States . . . . . . Rule 3 General Definitions INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same (a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and Wind or Kite Surfers. (c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used. It's a common trick question on the tests End of Discussion MST |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Kite surfers are NOT included in the COLREGS.
Kite surfers Are something new in the last year or so. They are not in any of the list of vessels. The COLREGS have been revised to include a new classification for WIG (wing in ground) vessels but no consideration has been given to kite surfers. Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. I hope this helps. S.Simon "Schoonertrash" wrote in message ... Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always. Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels. Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of the United States . . . . . . Rule 3 General Definitions INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same (a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and Wind or Kite Surfers. (c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used. It's a common trick question on the tests End of Discussion MST |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Good lord. I thought the Colreg term vessel was all inclusive.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: Kite surfers are NOT included in the COLREGS. Kite surfers Are something new in the last year or so. They are not in any of the list of vessels. The COLREGS have been revised to include a new classification for WIG (wing in ground) vessels but no consideration has been given to kite surfers. Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. I hope this helps. S.Simon "Schoonertrash" wrote in message ... Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always. Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels. Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of the United States . . . . . . Rule 3 General Definitions INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same (a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and Wind or Kite Surfers. (c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used. It's a common trick question on the tests End of Discussion MST |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
It's a technical term Donal for the edge.
Cheers MC Donal wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It isn't? You are heading north in a westerly and he's coming toward you from ahead? On my thinking the wind would be coming over the starboard rail -no? What rail? The kite surfers that I have seen are only two, to three foot long. Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
I'd say there are only four possible answers...
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:06:20 -0000, "Donal" wrote: Capetanios Oz wrote in message . .. BTW what tack is a boat on when it's head to wind? A Power driven vessel doesn't have a "tack". Regards Donal So what tack is a sailing boat on when it's head to wind? Answer the question before changing the subject! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
He's never surfed El Capitan...
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:03:56 -0000, "Donal" wrote: "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... It isn't? You are heading north in a westerly and he's coming toward you from ahead? On my thinking the wind would be coming over the starboard rail -no? What rail? The kite surfers that I have seen are only two, to three foot long. So they have no rail? What are you smoking Donal? Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
You are nuts. I surf canoed in cornwall and that was bad enough.
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:51:25 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: He's never surfed El Capitan... Cheers MC I surfed once in Ireland...I can understand why! Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right?
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:26 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: I'd say there are only four possible answers... Cheers MC I'd say you'd be wrong with 3 of them Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
No it does not. Without the kite it would go
nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
My reading comprehension must be nil. I thought you meant "wind" surfer. The
suit example I gave you was a collision between a wind surfer and a power boat. John Cairns "Donal" wrote in message ... "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No it does not. Without the kite it would go nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Does that mean you want me to tell you?
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:26 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right? Cheers MC Nope, Black and White! Donal obviously has no clue and no-one else has attempted an answer. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
I'll give them a clue. It could be either...
Cheers MC Capetanios Oz wrote: On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:26 +1300, The_navigator© wrote: You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right? Cheers MC Nope, Black and White! Donal obviously has no clue and no-one else has attempted an answer. Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Sure it would if they paddled it
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | No it does not. Without the kite it would go | nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he | is not. | | S.Simon | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a | dinghy would not be a vessel either! | | Cheers MC | | Simple Simon wrote: | You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. | The board comes along for the ride. The | board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter | decides to strap on a slalom ski and go | for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - | no he is not. Kite boards are not much | bigger than a slalom ski. | | It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. | The COLREGS define a vessel as: | | a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including | nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a | means of transportation on the water. | | Means of transportation are the key words. Look up | transportation in the dictionary and it will say something | about going from one place to another. A bus transports | people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. | | A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play | and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under | the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the | definition. | | S.Simon | | | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | | I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under | existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels | (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is | therefore a sail -by legal definition. | | Cheers MC | | Donal wrote: | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats | because they have no sails. The kite is attached | to the operator and not to the board. A board | is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to | be sure. At present it is a gray area under the | Rules that needs to be cleared up. | | | Top marks! | | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | | | | | | | |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
He misses the point that it has only to be capable of transportation.
Cheers MC Capt. Mooron wrote: Sure it would if they paddled it "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | No it does not. Without the kite it would go | nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he | is not. | | S.Simon | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a | dinghy would not be a vessel either! | | Cheers MC | | Simple Simon wrote: | You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. | The board comes along for the ride. The | board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter | decides to strap on a slalom ski and go | for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - | no he is not. Kite boards are not much | bigger than a slalom ski. | | It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. | The COLREGS define a vessel as: | | a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including | nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a | means of transportation on the water. | | Means of transportation are the key words. Look up | transportation in the dictionary and it will say something | about going from one place to another. A bus transports | people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. | | A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play | and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under | the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the | definition. | | S.Simon | | | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | | I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under | existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels | (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is | therefore a sail -by legal definition. | | Cheers MC | | Donal wrote: | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats | because they have no sails. The kite is attached | to the operator and not to the board. A board | is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to | be sure. At present it is a gray area under the | Rules that needs to be cleared up. | | | Top marks! | | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | | | | | | | |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
It propels the operator and not the board.
The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski is a vessel. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No it does not. Without the kite it would go nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
ColRegs are all inclusive. Except for those who don't understand the
English (or any other ) language or think themselves above the law. I wanna be there when Mr. Sea Lawyer tries to tell that sea story to the Coast Guard with nothing going for him but his . . . . in his hand. Gee Judge! When that law was written they only had dugout canoes with poles. . . . uhhhh . .. . .you mean using paddles counts????? Damn .. . . HOW much was that fine? You gotta be kiddin. .. . How many days? uhhhh Damn .. . Don't worry about it Nav. There's always some DS who tries to get over. They usually spend all their time justifying simple minded silliness . ..Kinda like being a mouth piece for J. Carville insteading of thinking for oneself . . . instead of spending it on the water. But to keepthings interesting ....try this discussion point. In the same vein as Democrats and Republicans being two sides of the same coin. Bobsprit and Neal .. . ..Twins with no difference. Give it a fair, impartial and objective evaluation: The answer is "None" Except . .. . . . .I have to admit Neal has got one thing going for him....better judge of women than I. Gotta give credit where it's due. Speaking of which and spending time on the water ...we've got our marching. .. .or rather sailing schedule. Back to the future (across the 180th again). Should be outta here by Thanksgiving on either this ship or another one and that's something to be Thankful for! Another five six months of this and the refit should be paid for. . . . . .and I'm ALMOST back on schedule. Still I've got another week or so and then the fun of .asa is over. MST |
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