Oz's question

Cheers

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
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Well answer the Q! You have raced haven't you?


The question was "What would you do if you were in a yacht on starboard
tack, and you were on a collision course with a kite surfer, who was on port
tack?"

I don't understand why you expect *me* to answer the question. I asked the
bloody question!

I was hoping that *you* might give an answer.


Regards


Donal
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Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Capetanios Oz wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
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OK, if you say so. I await the analysis with interest.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Bear off.



Wrong! BIG time!

Oz is obviously an expert. Perhaps he can explain why you are completely
wrong!

So the sub with negative buoyancy, sinking because she has flooded tanks
with people aboard is still a vessel? YOu can see the noose getting
closer can't you?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

A submarine is ON water. What the hell do you think supports it?
Does the water upon which it floats not count? It matters not
if there is water above the hull as well.

No dilemma that I can see . . .

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...

Ahh but Cappy, you who refers to the Merian W at every opportunity,
has failed to notice that your definition states that a vessel is one
that is used or capable of transportation ON water.
You see the dilema?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:31:39 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


A submarine does not sink to the bottom. It has ballast
tanks to keep it at the depths in which it chooses to
operate. It carries air so the crew can breathe and live.

There is a big difference between a vessel traveling under
water and a device that goes to the bottom with somebody
standing on it until the person runs out of air and dies.

Sooooooo stupid with your dumb attempts to refuse to
accept the obvious.

S.Simon

Capetanios Oz wrote in message ...

Interesting, a submarine is not a vessel when submerged?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:00:04 -0500, "Simple Simon"
wrote:


But, the colregs don't define displacement as not floating at all.
The word displacement means non-planing as in a displacement
sailboat vs. a planing motor boat.

Any craft or device that sinks out from under a person
unless the person is being pulled along at a good clip and
dragging the device along with him is clearly not a vessel.

Here is the definition again.

(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or

capable

of

being used as a means of transportation on water.

Note the word 'watercraft'. Here is the defintion of watercraft.

wa.ter.craft \-'kraft\ n : a craft for water transport : ship, boat

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

A board or a ski that has no way to be powered and sinks when one
stands on it cannot transport anything anywhere. These are not
watercraft. These are devices used by a person being pulled along
rapidly to stay on the surface.

S.Simon


S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

The colregs clearly say the vessel need not be diplacement. In that
sense, a ski is simply overloaded and sinks when not planing. They also
float without people on them!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.





Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

The sail is attached via the sailor. But that is not the point at the
moment. The attachment of a sail is not germain as to whether it is a
vessel and that is all that matters.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

That a sailboard sinks when becalmed is not germane to
the fact that it is still a vessel. It is a vessel because it
has a sail attached that moves it along on the water when
the wind comes up. A kite board has no such sail attached.
In the same manner a water ski has no such propulsion of
any kind attached. Neither is a vessel. The only way either
of them stay on the water is when being dragged along by
an outside force that is not even applied directly to them.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

So the fact that it sinks when becalmed is irrelevant?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Yes, because the sails are attached directly to the board.
Even small (sinker) boards are sailboats because the sail
is attached to them and can power them fast enough to
stay on the surface and go from place to place.

A windsurfer is a small sailboat.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


Is a windsurfer a vessel?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:



You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
OK, if you say so. I await the analysis with interest.


Tomorrow. After one more "sneering" response from Oz.



Regards



Donal
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That was not the original question Donal

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?

Oh boy. You did say heading north on a westerly wind... (that's wind
over the PORT rail Donal)

Hhahahahhahahaha. What a mistake!

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

Bear off.



Wrong! BIG time!

Oz is obviously an expert. Perhaps he can explain why you are completely
wrong!



Regards


Donal
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Oz is a jerk who won't ever answer because he likes to be
contrary.

I'll give you my answer.

I would hold course and speed. Then . . .

I would blow the danger/doubt signal on the horn and
prepare myself to take evasive action to avoid a collision
in case the kite boarder did not get out of the way.

Technically I am not the stand-on vessel because the
kite boarder has no status under the COLREGS but
the COLREGS to place a high priority on avoiding
collisions so I would take action to avoid a collision
if necessary.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message ...

Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Capetanios Oz wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
--

Blow the danger/doubt signal? What's that?

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Oz is a jerk who won't ever answer because he likes to be
contrary.

I'll give you my answer.

I would hold course and speed. Then . . .

I would blow the danger/doubt signal on the horn and
prepare myself to take evasive action to avoid a collision
in case the kite boarder did not get out of the way.

Technically I am not the stand-on vessel because the
kite boarder has no status under the COLREGS but
the COLREGS to place a high priority on avoiding
collisions so I would take action to avoid a collision
if necessary.

S.Simon


"Donal" wrote in message ...

Capetanios Oz wrote in message
news
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:18:43 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Capetanios Oz wrote in message
m...

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:21:35 -0000, "Donal"
wrote:


Hey, I went to bed!

However, I *do* know the answer.

Now.


Well done!

So what tack is a sailboat on when head to wind?

Dear me!

I asked a simple question about "stand on status" and you have tried to use
it to demonstrate that I know nothing about the Coll Regs. Pathetic!!


Why were you unable to answer my simple question?

Let's face it, Oz. I don't pretend to be an expert on all matters related
to sailing.

So, what does it matter if there is something that I don't know??

OTOH, you present yourself as an expert. Unfortunately, you seem unable to
back up your arrogant attitude with any substance.

Now, you can prove me wrong by answering the original question.

What would *you* do if you were at the helm of a yacht, on starboard tack,
if you were on a collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer?


Regards


Donal
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