"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

NO! The water ski and the kite board without the
help of a towing vessel or a kite cannot transport
anybody anywhere. Neither kite board or water
ski can possibly be a vessel. Take an extreme
example, the water skier who skis on his own
two bare feet, I'm sure you've seen it done.
Are the skier's two feet vessels? Is the skier
a catamaran then? Bwahahahahhahahahha!

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

No the skier is a person and not a vessel. Your argument is illogical.
Is a ship with no motive power not a vessel? What about a barge?
Bwhahhahhahahaa -as you say.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

NO! The water ski and the kite board without the
help of a towing vessel or a kite cannot transport
anybody anywhere. Neither kite board or water
ski can possibly be a vessel. Take an extreme
example, the water skier who skis on his own
two bare feet, I'm sure you've seen it done.
Are the skier's two feet vessels? Is the skier
a catamaran then? Bwahahahahhahahahha!

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...



I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

You are clearly wrong. A kite board sinks when the
operator stands on it. A water ski also sinks when
the operator stands on it. Clearly neither is a vessel.

A barge floats when cargo or people are on it. Even if
it has no power it can drift from place to place with
the winds and current. A barge clearly is a vessel.

A water ski and a kite board in and of themselves
cannot be defined as vessels. The person that stands
on both is being pulled either by a boat or a kite. The
person drags the ski or the board along fast enough
so it gets up on plane. Both board and ski are more of
an implement or a piece of apparel and not a vessel.
Is a snorkeler's pair of swim fins to be called a vessel?
Anybody who cannot see this valid point is an imbecile.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
No the skier is a person and not a vessel. Your argument is illogical.
Is a ship with no motive power not a vessel? What about a barge?
Bwhahhahhahahaa -as you say.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

NO! The water ski and the kite board without the
help of a towing vessel or a kite cannot transport
anybody anywhere. Neither kite board or water
ski can possibly be a vessel. Take an extreme
example, the water skier who skis on his own
two bare feet, I'm sure you've seen it done.
Are the skier's two feet vessels? Is the skier
a catamaran then? Bwahahahahhahahahha!

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:


Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...



I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.


You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

Does a small fishing boat flying a kite to fish become a sailboat?

The_navigator© wrote:

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.



You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot
that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you
do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

No, it's not using the kite for propulsion.

Cheers MC

Kelton Joyner wrote:

Does a small fishing boat flying a kite to fish become a sailboat?

The_navigator© wrote:

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable
of transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer
but are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition
of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.




You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot
that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you
do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack)
kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

No. That would put them lower on the "pecking order." Besides, the courts have not
looked with favor on such attempts to circumvent the intent of the law.


"Kelton Joyner" wrote in message
...
Does a small fishing boat flying a kite to fish become a sailboat?

The_navigator© wrote:

Again, what is the definition of a vessel? Is a trolling line capable of
transport? No. Is a kite surfing board? I think you know the answer but
are just too stubborn.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Your logic is anything but logical.

A kite boarder is not recognized by the COLREGS
as a vessel. The kite, whether you call it a sail or
not, is attached to the person and not the board.


The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski
is a vessel or a trolling line is a vessel or a taffrail
log is a vessel or a chum bag is a vessel or a parasailer
is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

You still miss the point. Colregs apply to all vessels on the water. A
kite surfer can carry you from one place to another and is therefore a
vessel. As a vessel it is not powered by machinery or oars and is
therefore a sailing vessel or NUC. As the kite fits the definaition of a
sail I say it is a sailing vessel. Since they are not showing the day
shapes for NUC my logic prevails and they are a sailing vessel.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.



You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot
that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you
do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--