You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:26 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


I'd say there are only four possible answers...

Cheers MC


I'd say you'd be wrong with 3 of them


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

No it does not. Without the kite it would go
nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he
is not.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
dinghy would not be a vessel either!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:
You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The
board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
no he is not. Kite boards are not much
bigger than a slalom ski.

It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
The COLREGS define a vessel as:

a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
about going from one place to another. A bus transports
people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.

A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
definition.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...



Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.


Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

My reading comprehension must be nil. I thought you meant "wind" surfer. The
suit example I gave you was a collision between a wind surfer and a power
boat.
John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.

Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

No it does not. Without the kite it would go
nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he
is not.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
dinghy would not be a vessel either!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The
board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
no he is not. Kite boards are not much
bigger than a slalom ski.

It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
The COLREGS define a vessel as:

a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
about going from one place to another. A bus transports
people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.

A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
definition.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.


Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

Does that mean you want me to tell you?

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:26 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right?

Cheers MC


Nope, Black and White!
Donal obviously has no clue and no-one else has attempted an answer.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

I'll give them a clue. It could be either...

Cheers MC

Capetanios Oz wrote:

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:26 +1300, The_navigator©
wrote:


You could be right! But would you give half marks for being nearly right?

Cheers MC


Nope, Black and White!
Donal obviously has no clue and no-one else has attempted an answer.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Sure it would if they paddled it


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| No it does not. Without the kite it would go
| nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he
| is not.
|
| S.Simon
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
| dinghy would not be a vessel either!
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Simple Simon wrote:
| You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
| The board comes along for the ride. The
| board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
| decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
| for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
| no he is not. Kite boards are not much
| bigger than a slalom ski.
|
| It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
| The COLREGS define a vessel as:
|
| a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft,
including
| nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as
a
| means of transportation on the water.
|
| Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
| transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
| about going from one place to another. A bus transports
| people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.
|
| A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
| and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
| the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
| definition.
|
| S.Simon
|
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
|
| I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
| existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
| (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
| therefore a sail -by legal definition.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Donal wrote:
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
|
|
|
| Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
| because they have no sails. The kite is attached
| to the operator and not to the board. A board
| is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
| be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
| Rules that needs to be cleared up.
|
|
| Top marks!
|
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

He misses the point that it has only to be capable of transportation.

Cheers MC

Capt. Mooron wrote:

Sure it would if they paddled it


"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| No it does not. Without the kite it would go
| nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he
| is not.
|
| S.Simon
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
| But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
| dinghy would not be a vessel either!
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Simple Simon wrote:
| You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
| The board comes along for the ride. The
| board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
| decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
| for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
| no he is not. Kite boards are not much
| bigger than a slalom ski.
|
| It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
| The COLREGS define a vessel as:
|
| a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft,
including
| nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as
a
| means of transportation on the water.
|
| Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
| transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
| about going from one place to another. A bus transports
| people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.
|
| A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
| and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
| the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
| definition.
|
| S.Simon
|
|
|
| "The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
|
| I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
| existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
| (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
| therefore a sail -by legal definition.
|
| Cheers MC
|
| Donal wrote:
|
|
| "Simple Simon" wrote in message
| ...
|
|
|
| Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
| because they have no sails. The kite is attached
| to the operator and not to the board. A board
| is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
| be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
| Rules that needs to be cleared up.
|
|
| Top marks!
|
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|

It propels the operator and not the board.

The board is not a vessel any more than a
water ski is a vessel.

S.Simon


"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

No it does not. Without the kite it would go
nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he
is not.

S.Simon

"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...

But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
dinghy would not be a vessel either!

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The
board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
no he is not. Kite boards are not much
bigger than a slalom ski.

It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
The COLREGS define a vessel as:

a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
about going from one place to another. A bus transports
people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.

A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
definition.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...


I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:



"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...




Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.


Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

ColRegs are all inclusive. Except for those who don't understand the
English (or any other ) language or think themselves above the law. I wanna
be there when Mr. Sea Lawyer tries to tell that sea story to the Coast Guard
with nothing going for him but his . . . . in his hand. Gee Judge! When
that law was written they only had dugout canoes with poles. . . . uhhhh .
.. . .you mean using paddles counts????? Damn .. . . HOW much was that
fine? You gotta be kiddin. .. . How many days? uhhhh Damn .. .

Don't worry about it Nav. There's always some DS who tries to get over.
They usually spend all their time justifying simple minded silliness .
..Kinda like being a mouth piece for J. Carville insteading of thinking for
oneself . . . instead of spending it on the water. But to keepthings
interesting ....try this discussion point. In the same vein as Democrats
and Republicans being two sides of the same coin. Bobsprit and Neal .. .
..Twins with no difference. Give it a fair, impartial and objective
evaluation: The answer is "None"

Except . .. . . . .I have to admit Neal has got one thing going for
him....better judge of women than I. Gotta give credit where it's due.

Speaking of which and spending time on the water ...we've got our marching.
.. .or rather sailing schedule. Back to the future (across the 180th again).
Should be outta here by Thanksgiving on either this ship or another one and
that's something to be Thankful for! Another five six months of this and the
refit should be paid for. . . . . .and I'm ALMOST back on schedule.

Still I've got another week or so and then the fun of .asa is over.


MST