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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a
dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
No it does not. Without the kite it would go
nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel.
Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No it does not. Without the kite it would go nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
It propels the operator and not the board.
The board is not a vessel any more than a water ski is a vessel. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... The kite is a sail beacuse it is being used catch wind and propel. Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: No it does not. Without the kite it would go nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he is not. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a dinghy would not be a vessel either! Cheers MC Simple Simon wrote: You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. The board comes along for the ride. The board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter decides to strap on a slalom ski and go for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - no he is not. Kite boards are not much bigger than a slalom ski. It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. The COLREGS define a vessel as: a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on the water. Means of transportation are the key words. Look up transportation in the dictionary and it will say something about going from one place to another. A bus transports people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the definition. S.Simon "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. Cheers MC Donal wrote: "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats because they have no sails. The kite is attached to the operator and not to the board. A board is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to be sure. At present it is a gray area under the Rules that needs to be cleared up. Top marks! Regards Donal -- |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
Sure it would if they paddled it
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | No it does not. Without the kite it would go | nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he | is not. | | S.Simon | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a | dinghy would not be a vessel either! | | Cheers MC | | Simple Simon wrote: | You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. | The board comes along for the ride. The | board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter | decides to strap on a slalom ski and go | for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - | no he is not. Kite boards are not much | bigger than a slalom ski. | | It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. | The COLREGS define a vessel as: | | a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including | nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a | means of transportation on the water. | | Means of transportation are the key words. Look up | transportation in the dictionary and it will say something | about going from one place to another. A bus transports | people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. | | A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play | and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under | the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the | definition. | | S.Simon | | | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | | I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under | existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels | (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is | therefore a sail -by legal definition. | | Cheers MC | | Donal wrote: | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats | because they have no sails. The kite is attached | to the operator and not to the board. A board | is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to | be sure. At present it is a gray area under the | Rules that needs to be cleared up. | | | Top marks! | | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | | | | | | | |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
He misses the point that it has only to be capable of transportation.
Cheers MC Capt. Mooron wrote: Sure it would if they paddled it "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... | No it does not. Without the kite it would go | nowhere. Is a water skier a vessel? No he | is not. | | S.Simon | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | But it does carry the surfer to and from places! By your definition a | dinghy would not be a vessel either! | | Cheers MC | | Simple Simon wrote: | You're wrong. The kite powers the operator. | The board comes along for the ride. The | board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter | decides to strap on a slalom ski and go | for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel - | no he is not. Kite boards are not much | bigger than a slalom ski. | | It is doubtful the board is even a vessel. | The COLREGS define a vessel as: | | a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including | nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a | means of transportation on the water. | | Means of transportation are the key words. Look up | transportation in the dictionary and it will say something | about going from one place to another. A bus transports | people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example. | | A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play | and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under | the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the | definition. | | S.Simon | | | | "The_navigator©" wrote in message ... | | I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under | existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels | (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is | therefore a sail -by legal definition. | | Cheers MC | | Donal wrote: | | | "Simple Simon" wrote in message | ... | | | | Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats | because they have no sails. The kite is attached | to the operator and not to the board. A board | is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to | be sure. At present it is a gray area under the | Rules that needs to be cleared up. | | | Top marks! | | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | | | | | | | |
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Kite Surfers and Coll Regs.
"The_navigator©" wrote in message ... I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels (3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is therefore a sail -by legal definition. You should know better than to claim that I am wrong. I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up. Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels. Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite surfer? Regards Donal -- |
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