It isn't? You are heading north in a westerly and he's coming toward you
from ahead? On my thinking the wind would be coming over the starboard
rail -no?

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...

The wind is coming over his starboard rail.



No, it isn't!


Regards


Donal
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Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always.

Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high
seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels.

Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of
the United States . . . . . .

Rule 3 General Definitions

INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same

(a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and
Wind or Kite Surfers.

(c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that
propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used.

It's a common trick question on the tests

End of Discussion

MST

Kite surfers are NOT included in the COLREGS.

Kite surfers Are something new in the last year
or so. They are not in any of the list of vessels.

The COLREGS have been revised to include a new
classification for WIG (wing in ground) vessels but
no consideration has been given to kite surfers.

Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.

I hope this helps.

S.Simon



"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...
Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always.

Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high
seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels.

Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of
the United States . . . . . .

Rule 3 General Definitions

INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same

(a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and
Wind or Kite Surfers.

(c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that
propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used.

It's a common trick question on the tests

End of Discussion

MST

Good lord. I thought the Colreg term vessel was all inclusive.

Cheers MC

Simple Simon wrote:

Kite surfers are NOT included in the COLREGS.

Kite surfers Are something new in the last year
or so. They are not in any of the list of vessels.

The COLREGS have been revised to include a new
classification for WIG (wing in ground) vessels but
no consideration has been given to kite surfers.

Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.

I hope this helps.

S.Simon



"Schoonertrash" wrote in message ...

Yes they are included in ColRegs. When in doubt refer to Rule 2. Always.

Rule 1 INTERNATIONAL (a) These rules apply toall vessels upon the high
seas and in all waters connected therewith navigable by sea going vessels.

Rule 1 INLAND (A) These Rules apply to all vessels upon the inland waters of
the United States . . . . . .

Rule 3 General Definitions

INTERNATIONAL and INLAND the same

(a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

and Yes this includes surfboards. rowboats, Tom Sawyer's raft . . . .and
Wind or Kite Surfers.

(c) The term 'sailing vessel' means any vesel under sail providing that
propelling machinery, if fitted is not being used.

It's a common trick question on the tests

End of Discussion

MST

ColRegs are all inclusive. Except for those who don't understand the
English (or any other ) language or think themselves above the law. I wanna
be there when Mr. Sea Lawyer tries to tell that sea story to the Coast Guard
with nothing going for him but his . . . . in his hand. Gee Judge! When
that law was written they only had dugout canoes with poles. . . . uhhhh .
.. . .you mean using paddles counts????? Damn .. . . HOW much was that
fine? You gotta be kiddin. .. . How many days? uhhhh Damn .. .

Don't worry about it Nav. There's always some DS who tries to get over.
They usually spend all their time justifying simple minded silliness .
..Kinda like being a mouth piece for J. Carville insteading of thinking for
oneself . . . instead of spending it on the water. But to keepthings
interesting ....try this discussion point. In the same vein as Democrats
and Republicans being two sides of the same coin. Bobsprit and Neal .. .
..Twins with no difference. Give it a fair, impartial and objective
evaluation: The answer is "None"

Except . .. . . . .I have to admit Neal has got one thing going for
him....better judge of women than I. Gotta give credit where it's due.

Speaking of which and spending time on the water ...we've got our marching.
.. .or rather sailing schedule. Back to the future (across the 180th again).
Should be outta here by Thanksgiving on either this ship or another one and
that's something to be Thankful for! Another five six months of this and the
refit should be paid for. . . . . .and I'm ALMOST back on schedule.

Still I've got another week or so and then the fun of .asa is over.


MST

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.

Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.


Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

You're wrong. The kite powers the operator.
The board comes along for the ride. The
board is not a sailboat. What if a kiter
decides to strap on a slalom ski and go
for a ride. Is a slalom skier a vessel -
no he is not. Kite boards are not much
bigger than a slalom ski.

It is doubtful the board is even a vessel.
The COLREGS define a vessel as:

a) The word 'vessel' includes every description of water craft, including
nondisplacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a
means of transportation on the water.

Means of transportation are the key words. Look up
transportation in the dictionary and it will say something
about going from one place to another. A bus transports
people from a bus stop to another bus stop for example.

A kite board just goes back and forth. It is used for play
and not for transport. A kite board is NOT covered under
the COLREGS because it is not a vessel according to the
definition.

S.Simon



"The_navigator©" wrote in message ...
I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

Cheers MC

Donal wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...


Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.


Top marks!




Regards


Donal
--

"The_navigator©" wrote in message
...
I say you are both wrong. In fact the kite surfer is a sailboat under
existing Colregs. This is beacuse 1) the colregs describe all vessels
(3a) and (2) the "kite" is used as a means of propulsion and is
therefore a sail -by legal definition.

You should know better than to claim that I am wrong.

I awarded top marks to Neal because he is the only person to spot that the
kite surfers constitute a "gray area" that needs to be cleared up.

Personally, I feel that they are sailing vessels.

Why has nobody answered the original question? ie What would you do if
you were on a (starboard tack) collision course with a (port tack) kite
surfer?




Regards


Donal
--

My reading comprehension must be nil. I thought you meant "wind" surfer. The
suit example I gave you was a collision between a wind surfer and a power
boat.
John Cairns
"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

Kite surfers are not, by the definition sailboats
because they have no sails. The kite is attached
to the operator and not to the board. A board
is neither a sailboat nor is it a motor boat to
be sure. At present it is a gray area under the
Rules that needs to be cleared up.

Top marks!




Regards


Donal
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