I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is there a baby stay?

Bart Senior

On 26 Oct 2003 04:08:12 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600
built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

Now if the Boobster knew anything about boats he would have posted.
1. The J30 is slower than an Express 30. Painfully slow upwind in light air
which is why class rules allow a 163% genoa. Owners bitched and had the rules
changed. They know how slow the boat is. Boob**** thanks anything made by J
is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the only thing a J beats is another J.
Same thing as a Hobie Cat.
2. A tiller that requires the use of steriods in a breeze because of the
unbalanced rudder. The boat drives like a bus.
3. Great cabin? Try to avoid the stream of water from the chainplates while
replacing the port bulkhead that has been a failure on every J30. Try to take
a leak using the head. Try to set the prop.
4. Deck and cockpit designed for racers.
5. Plenty of other J30s to race against in some areas.
6. Racer oriented fractional rig that on every J30 has broken at the spreaders
unless modified. (I'll take a masthead any day and with a big chute run all
the fractionals down on the downwind leg.)
7. Have fun replacing the bulkhead under the cockpit floor that fails on every
J30.
8. Have fun replacing the core in the transom all around the exhaust outlet
that fails on every J30.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Baby stay and back stay. You can set it us with a
certain amount of pre-bend as well.
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Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Bart Senior" bartsenior
wrote in message
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: I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.
:
: How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is
there a baby stay?
:
: Bart Senior
:
: On 26 Oct 2003 04:08:12 GMT,
(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
:
: Now lets look at a raceboat that worked
and had more than 600
: built...the J30.
: 1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
: 2) A real racer with a tiller.
: 3) a simply great cabin.
: 4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
: 5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There
are 5 on City Island alone!
: 6) Racer oriented fractional rig.
:
: Now if the Boobster knew anything about boats
he would have posted.
: 1. The J30 is slower than an Express 30.
Painfully slow upwind in light air
: which is why class rules allow a 163% genoa.
Owners bitched and had the rules
: changed. They know how slow the boat is.
Boob**** thanks anything made by J
: is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the
only thing a J beats is another J.
: Same thing as a Hobie Cat.
: 2. A tiller that requires the use of steriods
in a breeze because of the
: unbalanced rudder. The boat drives like a bus.
: 3. Great cabin? Try to avoid the stream of
water from the chainplates while
: replacing the port bulkhead that has been a
failure on every J30. Try to take
: a leak using the head. Try to set the prop.
: 4. Deck and cockpit designed for racers.
: 5. Plenty of other J30s to race against in some
areas.
: 6. Racer oriented fractional rig that on every
J30 has broken at the spreaders
: unless modified. (I'll take a masthead any day
and with a big chute run all
: the fractionals down on the downwind leg.)
: 7. Have fun replacing the bulkhead under the
cockpit floor that fails on every
: J30.
: 8. Have fun replacing the core in the transom
all around the exhaust outlet
: that fails on every J30.
: S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
: Trains are a winter sport
:

I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

It's odd looking, especially at rest. Looks good when sailing though.

RB

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

On 27 Oct 2003 01:24:03 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

It's odd looking, especially at rest. Looks good when sailing though.

RB

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

True, if you really want to be serious about racing on a budget, go for an
Olson or even a J29. Comparitively the J and Express are slow.
But if you want to cruise as well, the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the
Express, especially the later models with the coaming-cockpits. J did a nice
job with the cabin using lots of wood a fine fit and finish.

RB

the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the Express,

ROFLOL!


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the Express,

ROFLOL!

Loco, you ARE lying if you even remotely claim that the Express Cabin is
anything but plain compared to all the teak in the average J30. Let's Compare!

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincab.jpg

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincabaft.jpg

Feel free to show ANY pic of an Express 30 that can compare to that or the
interior of my C&C 32!

RB

Bart Senior wrote:

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

Shucks you can pick up an Olson almost for the asking. They are fast but
have approximately zero interior room and as they age, they need more and
more structural additions to stay competitive. No comparing a J-30 or
Express 30 to an Olson 30 IMHO. They are totally different boats for
totally different purposes.

Maybe you should take a look at the Olson 911. It's not as roomy as either
Express or J but it's faster despite being a bit shorter, and it has a
real cabin. The Laser 28 is real nice too. Or a Frers 30.

Funny thing, the Olsons were all reckoned as well built boats, and were.
Apparently the ones that have been sailed hard for years are reaching the
upper end of the load cycle life, which is a basic property of the
material. You can't make 1500# of fiberglass do as well at holding up
under high stress as 2500# of the same material.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is there a baby stay?

Yes, the boat has a babystay. The babystay has some effect on mast bend but
it's really there to eliminate the need for fore and aft lowers. The babystay
also keeps the rig from pumping in waves. We disconnect the babystay in flat
water and moderate breezes.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport