Mike, the Express 30 could never be a OD boat
since it was a semi-custom boat.

Semi custom?? Bwahahahahahaha! Do you know what semi custom means?
Nope, you don't!

RB

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

True, if you really want to be serious about racing on a budget, go for an
Olson or even a J29. Comparitively the J and Express are slow.
But if you want to cruise as well, the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the
Express, especially the later models with the coaming-cockpits. J did a nice
job with the cabin using lots of wood a fine fit and finish.

RB

Right, Loco. You get caught lying and then call people you don't know
names.

Name the lie.


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the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the Express,

ROFLOL!


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the J30 cabin is lightyears nicer than the Express,

ROFLOL!

Loco, you ARE lying if you even remotely claim that the Express Cabin is
anything but plain compared to all the teak in the average J30. Let's Compare!

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincab.jpg

http://www.jboats.com/j30/images/j30maincabaft.jpg

Feel free to show ANY pic of an Express 30 that can compare to that or the
interior of my C&C 32!

RB

Bart Senior wrote:

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

Shucks you can pick up an Olson almost for the asking. They are fast but
have approximately zero interior room and as they age, they need more and
more structural additions to stay competitive. No comparing a J-30 or
Express 30 to an Olson 30 IMHO. They are totally different boats for
totally different purposes.

Maybe you should take a look at the Olson 911. It's not as roomy as either
Express or J but it's faster despite being a bit shorter, and it has a
real cabin. The Laser 28 is real nice too. Or a Frers 30.

Funny thing, the Olsons were all reckoned as well built boats, and were.
Apparently the ones that have been sailed hard for years are reaching the
upper end of the load cycle life, which is a basic property of the
material. You can't make 1500# of fiberglass do as well at holding up
under high stress as 2500# of the same material.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Loco, you ARE lying if you even remotely claim that the Express Cabin is
anything but plain compared to all the teak in the average J30.

Nice try. Only the later J30s had a teak and holly sole. What do you mean by
the J30 has an all teak interior? There's less teak in a J30 vs an Express.
My boat has the optional varnished interior. Only other difference is the J
has all the furniture pushed outwards towards the hull to give the appearance
of more room. The Express has a usefull interior designed for real
passagemaking with storage behind the furniture and a real seaberth.
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Lets look at some other stuff. You say the boat is a better family cruiser.
J30 has a wider beam but mainly at deck level and a narrow waterline beam.
Makes for real fun sailing in a breeze with a wife and kid.
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SAIL LOCO wrote:

Lets look at some other stuff. You say the boat is a better family cruiser.
J30 has a wider beam but mainly at deck level and a narrow waterline beam.
Makes for real fun sailing in a breeze with a wife and kid.

Loco, why are you arguing with Bubbles? Don't you realize he's nuts?

DSK

Loco, why are you arguing with Bubbles? Don't you realize he's nuts?

It's always a hoot
By the way I always liked the Olson 911S too. I like the light wood interior,
better head than the Express and the eliptical foils. It's a newer design than
the Express therefore they were selling for more than I wanted to spend at the
time. Not many around.
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