Loco lists a few problems that the J30 has. Big whoop. All boats have some
problems. Doesn't effect my comments one bit.

LOL.............. A few problems - big woop? I forgot to even mention how
the keel got moved farther and farther off center as production went on and J,
the so called high quality builder, refused to correct the problem. The keel
problem is so bad that owners have to spend thousands having it fixed or the
boat just ain't competitive. Couple this with crumbling rigs, wet transoms,
delaminating bulkheads and a boat that drives like a slow bus and you have one
fun to sail POS. As always you prove that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOATS.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The keel
problem is so bad that owners have to spend thousands having it fixed or the
boat just ain't competitive. Couple this with crumbling rigs, wet transoms,
delaminating bulkheads and a boat that drives like a slow bus and you have one
fun to sail POS. As always you prove that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BOATS.

Funny that with five J30's on City Island (I know 4 of the owners) none of them
have any serious problems.
I'm also on the J-list and rarely hear much about this stuff. Also, the J30
website lists some of the problems, but aside from the bulkheads (not a big
job), it's pretty rare for the J30 to need much. Of course 600+ boats raced
hard over 25 years are going to have problems. The 30 was a successful boat,
where the Express wasn't.
You can whine and cry, but that's a fact. Show me a pics of Express 30's
competing against eachother in an anual race!

Bwahahahaha! Loco, your boat is forgotten. I won't say it's a POS, because I'm
better than you.

RB

Funny that with five J30's on City Island (I know 4 of the owners) none of
them have any serious problems.

Maybe they are all as stupid as you are.

Also, the J30 website lists some of the problems, but aside from the
bulkheads (not a big job), it's pretty rare for the J30 to need much.

Rare if the boat has had the work done already.

The 30 was a successful boat, where the Express wasn't.

Different times dimwit. The J30 started out in boom times - 1979 - and had
a good run because of one design status. The Express started out in the mid
eighties just before things went sour in the sailboat building business when
MANY quality builders failed. Hell, S2 one of the most respected builders of
the time and a tremendously popular boat with charter trade desided to close
shop.
You know nothing about boats.

Show me a pics of Express 30's competing against each other in an
anual race!

Gee I guess your attempting to come up with a winning challenge with that
one. We all know there's not enough hulls in most areas to do that and
secondly there would have to be some interest. However I do understand there
is or has been a one design class on the Great Lakes because of the number of
boats that were sold in that area.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is there a baby stay?

Bart Senior

On 26 Oct 2003 04:08:12 GMT, (SAIL LOCO) wrote:

Now lets look at a raceboat that worked and had more than 600
built...the J30.
1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
2) A real racer with a tiller.
3) a simply great cabin.
4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There are 5 on City Island alone!
6) Racer oriented fractional rig.

Now if the Boobster knew anything about boats he would have posted.
1. The J30 is slower than an Express 30. Painfully slow upwind in light air
which is why class rules allow a 163% genoa. Owners bitched and had the rules
changed. They know how slow the boat is. Boob**** thanks anything made by J
is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the only thing a J beats is another J.
Same thing as a Hobie Cat.
2. A tiller that requires the use of steriods in a breeze because of the
unbalanced rudder. The boat drives like a bus.
3. Great cabin? Try to avoid the stream of water from the chainplates while
replacing the port bulkhead that has been a failure on every J30. Try to take
a leak using the head. Try to set the prop.
4. Deck and cockpit designed for racers.
5. Plenty of other J30s to race against in some areas.
6. Racer oriented fractional rig that on every J30 has broken at the spreaders
unless modified. (I'll take a masthead any day and with a big chute run all
the fractionals down on the downwind leg.)
7. Have fun replacing the bulkhead under the cockpit floor that fails on every
J30.
8. Have fun replacing the core in the transom all around the exhaust outlet
that fails on every J30.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

Baby stay and back stay. You can set it us with a
certain amount of pre-bend as well.
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Steve
S/V Pony Express

"Bart Senior" bartsenior
wrote in message
...
: I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.
:
: How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is
there a baby stay?
:
: Bart Senior
:
: On 26 Oct 2003 04:08:12 GMT,
(SAIL LOCO) wrote:
:
: Now lets look at a raceboat that worked
and had more than 600
: built...the J30.
: 1) Fast, fast, fast and fun to sail.
: 2) A real racer with a tiller.
: 3) a simply great cabin.
: 4) Deck and cockpit designed for racers
: 5) Plenty of other J30's to race against! There
are 5 on City Island alone!
: 6) Racer oriented fractional rig.
:
: Now if the Boobster knew anything about boats
he would have posted.
: 1. The J30 is slower than an Express 30.
Painfully slow upwind in light air
: which is why class rules allow a 163% genoa.
Owners bitched and had the rules
: changed. They know how slow the boat is.
Boob**** thanks anything made by J
: is fast. Knowledgeable people know that the
only thing a J beats is another J.
: Same thing as a Hobie Cat.
: 2. A tiller that requires the use of steriods
in a breeze because of the
: unbalanced rudder. The boat drives like a bus.
: 3. Great cabin? Try to avoid the stream of
water from the chainplates while
: replacing the port bulkhead that has been a
failure on every J30. Try to take
: a leak using the head. Try to set the prop.
: 4. Deck and cockpit designed for racers.
: 5. Plenty of other J30s to race against in some
areas.
: 6. Racer oriented fractional rig that on every
J30 has broken at the spreaders
: unless modified. (I'll take a masthead any day
and with a big chute run all
: the fractionals down on the downwind leg.)
: 7. Have fun replacing the bulkhead under the
cockpit floor that fails on every
: J30.
: 8. Have fun replacing the core in the transom
all around the exhaust outlet
: that fails on every J30.
: S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
: Trains are a winter sport
:

I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

It's odd looking, especially at rest. Looks good when sailing though.

RB

I think it is a pass, when for about the same money, you can pick up
a sled like an Olson 30.

On 27 Oct 2003 01:24:03 GMT, (Bobsprit) wrote:

I always thought the J-30 was an ugly boat.

It's odd looking, especially at rest. Looks good when sailing though.

RB

How do you bend the mast on the Express 30? Is there a baby stay?

Yes, the boat has a babystay. The babystay has some effect on mast bend but
it's really there to eliminate the need for fore and aft lowers. The babystay
also keeps the rig from pumping in waves. We disconnect the babystay in flat
water and moderate breezes.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport