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The Bent Boom
Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before
ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
The Bent Boom
How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
The Bent Boom
How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent
or does it matter- The boom, being bent, will never let a sail set correctly. Still worse, the strength of the boom has most probably been compromised. It's also an ugly thing to see on any boat. The boom should be replaced, but the darn fool ordered sails instead! RB |
The Bent Boom
The picture looks like both mast and boom are bent, how much to replace
both of them?. If he ordered sails instead this tell me to replace the boom and mast costs are much more. Seems like he would want newer. Instead of what looks to be old aluminum. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter- The boom, being bent, will never let a sail set correctly. Still worse, the strength of the boom has most probably been compromised. It's also an ugly thing to see on any boat. The boom should be replaced, but the darn fool ordered sails instead! RB |
The Bent Boom
The picture looks like both mast and boom are bent, how much to replace
both of them?. If he ordered sails instead this tell me to replace the boom and I don't see any indication that the mast is damaged. Replacing the boom would be easy and not that expensive. He might even do it for free as the rig size is pretty common. Of course, finding the exact boom might not happen, which shows how foolish he was to order new sails first. Ass-backwards lubberly thinking by Capt. Neal...as always. You note he's not defending this point. How could he? The boom is BENT! RB |
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One more comment then I will return the floor back to the experts :-)
Aluminum being that old would naturally bend -- its a softer metal and I'm sure back then the quality -- stability was not great. I would like to know more how the mast and boom are made ---what materials the use today if someone would like to email me NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The picture looks like both mast and boom are bent, how much to replace both of them?. If he ordered sails instead this tell me to replace the boom and I don't see any indication that the mast is damaged. Replacing the boom would be easy and not that expensive. He might even do it for free as the rig size is pretty common. Of course, finding the exact boom might not happen, which shows how foolish he was to order new sails first. Ass-backwards lubberly thinking by Capt. Neal...as always. You note he's not defending this point. How could he? The boom is BENT! RB |
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Having learned that the boom can or will bend.
I found this site to be interesting. http://www.optimistusa.com/OptimistLASpars.asp NH_/)_ |
The Bent Boom
Well I'm going to have to speak up for the fine Captn here. If he has
ordered sails that are loose footed it does not matter the least whetther the boom is bent or not. I also have a vague memory of discussing his boom a couple of years ago, in another context ofcourse. If I recollect he seemed to have done something to the boom that will never allow it to break. Possibly bend but not break. The boat of the fine Capt is truly a bluewater vessel ready for any weather. The only thing that outdoes the vessel is her skipper that will surely see to it she never will get caught unexpectedly in foul weather. You guys are just jealous. With due rights of course. NH_/)_ wrote: One more comment then I will return the floor back to the experts :-) Aluminum being that old would naturally bend -- its a softer metal and I'm sure back then the quality -- stability was not great. I would like to know more how the mast and boom are made ---what materials the use today if someone would like to email me NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... The picture looks like both mast and boom are bent, how much to replace both of them?. If he ordered sails instead this tell me to replace the boom and I don't see any indication that the mast is damaged. Replacing the boom would be easy and not that expensive. He might even do it for free as the rig size is pretty common. Of course, finding the exact boom might not happen, which shows how foolish he was to order new sails first. Ass-backwards lubberly thinking by Capt. Neal...as always. You note he's not defending this point. How could he? The boom is BENT! RB -- Perre You have to be smarter than a robot to reply. |
The Bent Boom
Booby,
Good troll for once. But, perhaps you did not read the discussion of why the boom is bent, how it was repaired to be stronger than when new and how the bend actually flattens the sail as is the very same case when one pre-bends they racing machine masts. In spite of what you may think, a bent boom is a good thing when it's internally reinforced to be stronger than ever. So, let me explain. The boom broke in two at the aft bale for the center-boom sheeting while I was beating out of St. Augustine, FL ship channel in a gale. I should have reefed but I underestimated the winds and seas figuring I could beat out and then turn south and reach like hell for Miami under full sail. When I was about halfway out to the seabuoy after several tacks I misjudged an oncoming wave that was about eight feet tall and stuffed the bow just as I was coming about. The mainsail snapped across fast as a speeding bullet and the force of the wind and effects of the offending wave buckled the boom at the bale. I turned and ran back in under jib and flapping main which I struggled to get under control as I dropped it and gasketed it as best as I could. I repaired the boom the following week after much thought. I used three lengths of galvanized iron water pipe. One length of a diameter that fit snugly into the large part of the egg-shaped boom and two smaller diameter pipes that fit above the larger pipe into the upper (pointed) part of the egg-shaped boom. I found the correct sized so I had to hammer the pipes into the boom and hammer the end of the boom onto the pipes even after having coated all surfaces with silicone rubber. After fitting the boom back together like this I drilled and tapped the boom and inner GIP for machine screws and re-fitted the bales for the mid-sheet boom.These inner pipes are five feet long and extend two and one half feet on either side of the break. The ends are radiused to eliminate strain sharp edges might cause. The cut ends were painted with zinc chromate paint so they would not rust and also coated with silicone rubber sealant. The same thing was done on the cut ends of the aluminum boom. The boom is sealed and does not leak. It's a little heavier but stronger than stock boom. As for the bend. Please look at the masts on racing sailboats. You will note many have quite a bit of bend induced in the mast. This makes the sail flatter and more aerodynamic. So far these idiots haven't induced bend in their booms but once they figure it out they will and they will go faster and have more tuning options. I hope this helps because you need all the help you can get. S.Simon - a sailor with a custom boom that is strong and fast. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
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The boat of the fine Capt is truly a bluewater vessel ready for any weather.
Per, what kind of sad troll is this? For shame! Bent boom? Unbreakable? Oh, okay! Bwahahahaha! RB |
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So far these
idiots haven't induced bend in their booms but once they figure it out they will and they will go faster and have more tuning options. Inducing a bend in the boom may create a usable set, but the ability to return it to its straight condition is usually sought. You don't own a boat that can race. Your story regarding the boom is impressive. A less clever individual would have suspected that the original boom was poor and replaced it outright with a better one. Some sailor you're turning out to be! I suspect you cranked the vang and SNAP and that this happened at the mooring. RB |
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S.Simon - a sailor with a custom boom that is strong and fast.
A fast boom? Perhaps it can be fitted to a faster boat? RB |
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Bobsprit wrote:
Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg Thanks!! You just saved me $1000! I was about to order a kit to replace my transom mounted traveller, et al, with a mid-boom rig like the one shown bending Capt. Neal's boom! |
The Bent Boom
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... S.Simon - a sailor with a custom boom that is strong and fast. A fast boom? Perhaps it can be fitted to a faster boat? Then, you'll NEVER see it on a C&C 32. Bwaaaahahahhahahaha! S.Simon - Booby's mentor. |
The Bent Boom
Hey Vito,
S.Simon - flips 'em off with the best of 'em! "Vito" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg Thanks!! You just saved me $1000! I was about to order a kit to replace my transom mounted traveller, et al, with a mid-boom rig like the one shown bending Capt. Neal's boom! |
The Bent Boom
RB & Nh/,
The Boom on Simples boat was broken in two. He is saying now it was broken in a Gale. What ever but the truth is he converted a end sheeted boom to a mid sheeted boom and it couldn't take the load of the tack without the sheet. The repairs he made was to insert Galv pipes inside the boom. The boom is probably three times heavier but should be strong enough now. Now RB, you are showing your lack of sailing knowledge, once again! The Simpleton has said he ordered a main with a shelf. Now anyone, with the least amount of sailing knowledge, knows that a shelved main sets exactly as a free footed main. The bearing points being at the tack and the clew. The shelf only fills in the void between the foot and the boom. It has nothing to do with trim or how the sail sets. It is made of a very stretchy material that has no effect on sail set. The boom could be a "C" shape or even a :^) "Wish Bone" RB get some smarts! Enlarge your brain some to match you GREAT BIG MOUTH! AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
The Bent Boom
Thanks!! You just saved me $1000! I was about to order a kit to replace
my transom mounted traveller, et al, with a mid-boom rig like the one shown bending Capt. Neal's boom! Coronado was a very cheap builder, probably the poorest of them all. What happened to Neal's boom is an indication of how these boats should be avoided, even as starter boats. Neal's solution...glue to hunks of defective metal back together and re-enforce them at the expense of greater weight. Not exactly an ideal long term solution. It's a novice repair at best. As for mid boom sheeting. My C&C 32 has it. If I planned to keep the boat longer, I'd probably change it to the superior end boom set-up. RB |
The Bent Boom
Hey, Booby what you don't seem to understand is at the end
of my boom there's a stainless steel tang to which I can attach a block and tackle so I can easily fit end-boom sheeting in heavy weather. This should be the case on all boats with mid-boom sheeting. Is your boat equipped with end-boom sheeting options? Probably not! I rest my case. S.Simon - I know it ALL! "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Thanks!! You just saved me $1000! I was about to order a kit to replace my transom mounted traveller, et al, with a mid-boom rig like the one shown bending Capt. Neal's boom! Coronado was a very cheap builder, probably the poorest of them all. What happened to Neal's boom is an indication of how these boats should be avoided, even as starter boats. Neal's solution...glue to hunks of defective metal back together and re-enforce them at the expense of greater weight. Not exactly an ideal long term solution. It's a novice repair at best. As for mid boom sheeting. My C&C 32 has it. If I planned to keep the boat longer, I'd probably change it to the superior end boom set-up. RB |
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Cripes Simple,
I just sent a reply to Nutsy explaining that the bend on a shelf main sets only on tack and clew. The shelve doesn't effect the sail trim. I thought you knew this!! I advised Nutsy to enlarge his brain to match his big mouth. Maybe you better think about it. If the downward pressure on the shelf would flatten the sail then it wouldn't be a shelf. It is of material to fill the void but not effect the sail trim. That is why it got its' name. When the foot gets a belly in it the light, stretchy material looks like a shelf. You better go back and re-think your discussion with Loco. Maybe your sails don't have a shelf? Ole Thom |
The Bent Boom
For an old fart you're very perceptive, Old Thom!
S.Simon - is a boom really even necessary? "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... RB & Nh/, The Boom on Simples boat was broken in two. He is saying now it was broken in a Gale. What ever but the truth is he converted a end sheeted boom to a mid sheeted boom and it couldn't take the load of the tack without the sheet. The repairs he made was to insert Galv pipes inside the boom. The boom is probably three times heavier but should be strong enough now. Now RB, you are showing your lack of sailing knowledge, once again! The Simpleton has said he ordered a main with a shelf. Now anyone, with the least amount of sailing knowledge, knows that a shelved main sets exactly as a free footed main. The bearing points being at the tack and the clew. The shelf only fills in the void between the foot and the boom. It has nothing to do with trim or how the sail sets. It is made of a very stretchy material that has no effect on sail set. The boom could be a "C" shape or even a :^) "Wish Bone" RB get some smarts! Enlarge your brain some to match you GREAT BIG MOUTH! AND; "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" Ole Thom |
The Bent Boom
Geez Thom, gimme enough credit to know a shelf when I see one.
I've only been sailing for more years than most of these idiots have birthdays. S.Simon - drinking to that on his sixth rum and Chek cola. Happy Birthday, whooeeee! Go Dolphins! (They suck!) "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Cripes Simple, I just sent a reply to Nutsy explaining that the bend on a shelf main sets only on tack and clew. The shelve doesn't effect the sail trim. I thought you knew this!! I advised Nutsy to enlarge his brain to match his big mouth. Maybe you better think about it. If the downward pressure on the shelf would flatten the sail then it wouldn't be a shelf. It is of material to fill the void but not effect the sail trim. That is why it got its' name. When the foot gets a belly in it the light, stretchy material looks like a shelf. You better go back and re-think your discussion with Loco. Maybe your sails don't have a shelf? Ole Thom |
The Bent Boom
Hey, Booby what you don't seem to understand is at the end
of my boom there's a stainless steel tang to which I can attach a block and tackle so I can easily fit end-boom sheeting in heavy weather. I wasn't aware that you had two travelers for this purpose! Wow! Meanwhile....my boom doesn't snap in half in a breeze! Have you taken measures to protect the mast? Was it made by the same poor company that cast the boom? RB |
The Bent Boom
Well I'm going to have to speak up for the fine Captn here. If he has
ordered sails that are loose footed it does not matter the least whetther the boom is bent or not. Say what???? Good grief. RB |
The Bent Boom
I found the correct sized so I had to hammer the pipes into
the boom and hammer the end of the boom onto the pipes even after having coated all surfaces with silicone rubber. Then he injected it with liquid Kryptonite, which hardened to 123562.45 tougher than Ostrich leather. The boom now weighs 1.6 tons. RB |
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but stronger than stock boom.
My goodness me! Wholy knipperbats! RB |
The Bent Boom
One doesn't need another traveler. One needs only a place to
fit the block and tackle on either quarter. In the case of my fine yacht I use the supporting loop on the aft life-line stanchions. S.Simon - a sailor who knows and utilizes alternative ways and means. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Hey, Booby what you don't seem to understand is at the end of my boom there's a stainless steel tang to which I can attach a block and tackle so I can easily fit end-boom sheeting in heavy weather. I wasn't aware that you had two travelers for this purpose! Wow! Meanwhile....my boom doesn't snap in half in a breeze! Have you taken measures to protect the mast? Was it made by the same poor company that cast the boom? RB |
The Bent Boom
You should know about handling extreme loads. Your belt has no equal! S.Simon - slim and fit. "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... In the case of my fine yacht I use the supporting loop on the aft life-line stanchions. Yeah, with the boom snapping, I'm sure the stanchions can handle the load! Bwahahahahahha! RB |
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It was a mast, not a boom, and it happened to one of my
students, not I. "NH_/)_" wrote in message m... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
The Bent Boom
Goes to show you can't rely on wood. S.Simon - an all aluminum sailor "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It was a mast, not a boom, and it happened to one of my students, not I. "NH_/)_" wrote in message m... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
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S.Simon - slim and fit.
Not fitter than me! And worse...you're old and weak! RB |
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Huh? The Catalina had a alum mast.
"Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Goes to show you can't rely on wood. S.Simon - an all aluminum sailor "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It was a mast, not a boom, and it happened to one of my students, not I. "NH_/)_" wrote in message m... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
The Bent Boom
What was that fool talking about when he mentioned
glue (Resourcinol) to fill stress cracks then? S.Simon "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Huh? The Catalina had a alum mast. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Goes to show you can't rely on wood. S.Simon - an all aluminum sailor "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It was a mast, not a boom, and it happened to one of my students, not I. "NH_/)_" wrote in message m... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
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I don't know. I guess I missed it. I can't imagine using glue
to fill stress cracks. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... What was that fool talking about when he mentioned glue (Resourcinol) to fill stress cracks then? S.Simon "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... Huh? The Catalina had a alum mast. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Goes to show you can't rely on wood. S.Simon - an all aluminum sailor "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... It was a mast, not a boom, and it happened to one of my students, not I. "NH_/)_" wrote in message m... How does one properly set the sails with boom being bent or does it matter--after hearing what happened to Ganz, that's a scary thought. NH_/)_ "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Wouldn't a good sailor replace a bent, and probably weakened spar before ordering a new set of sails? Here's a pic showing the CLEARLY damaged boom of Capt. Neal's worn out Coronado 27. http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Closehaul2.jpg It's clearly compromised. Also clearly bent in this photo... http://www.homestead.com/captneal/files/Reaching.jpg What a disaster. What a shame. What an eyesore! Why not add a new ugly colored set of cushions to that boat to top it off? Oh...you already did. Capt RB |
The Bent Boom
I suppose the simple one could just have the sailmaker design the new main
allowing for the extra draft of the bent boom. No problem. It's also obvious in the photo that the boom has been bent because of the use of one of those unsailor like mid boom cabin top mainsheet systems. I guess he could flip the boom over and in time it would either straighten itself out or be bent in the other direction. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
The Bent Boom
Until he tries pulling the outhaul tight, and gets a bit too
passionate about it. No, with his silly mainsheet what will happen is that one day he'll do a heavy air jibe and the boom will just fold up. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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I repaired the boom the following week after much thought. I
used three lengths of galvanized iron water pipe. I'd hate to get hit in the head with that. If you really gave it much thought you would have bought a new boom. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" Trains are a winter sport |
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I'd hate to get hit in the head with that.
If you really gave it much thought you would have bought a new boom. Yup! Even a love tap will be fatal to the late never great Capt. Neal! RB |
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RB,
You are making a rather large troll over a bent boom and how it looks. I don't think it looks even half as bad as that 2nd story ladder on the back of your ( or Susy's) boat. OT |
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I
don't think it looks even half as bad as that 2nd story ladder on the back of your ( or Susy's) boat. You're comparing a ladder, which is a inexpensive little item to change, to a sailinboat's compromised primary propulsion system. RB |
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