The Bent Boom
 

Hah... and you were raggin' because I asked him a few questions about his
Thimbles trip report.
At least the ladder is functional and in good shape.

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
| RB,
|
| You are making a rather large troll over a bent boom and how it looks. I
| don't think it looks even half as bad as that 2nd story ladder on the
| back of your ( or Susy's) boat.
|
| OT
|

The Bent Boom
 

Get it through your thick skull, Booby, the boom as you see it
now is stronger than it was when new. A little bend in a mid-
sheet boom is normal. Try looking at yours from the clew
end when the sheet is hauled in nice and tight when on a
beat. I bet you'll see some bend.

Question: if you're a normal male your dick has a slight bend
upward when erect does this mean it's compromised?

S.Simon - a serious sailor with a serious boat


"Bobsprit" wrote in message ...
I
don't think it looks even half as bad as that 2nd story ladder on the
back of your ( or Susy's) boat.

You're comparing a ladder, which is a inexpensive little item to change, to a
sailinboat's compromised primary propulsion system.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

At least the ladder is functional and in good shape.

It is damn ugly though. Can't imagine why they didn't replace it with a folding
model. It's original to the boat.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

A little bend in a mid-
sheet boom is normal. Try looking at yours from the clew
end when the sheet is hauled in nice and tight when on a
beat. I bet you'll see some bend.


HELP!!!!! HELP!!!! HELP!!!

RB

The Bent Boom
 

How about that cast Neal,

Caught the self proclaimed master troller and a junk fish with the same
"Step Ladder Stern Bait"

Not to shabby for a Ole Fart, Huh?

OT

The Bent Boom
 

Bobsprit wrote:
The boat of the fine Capt is truly a bluewater vessel ready for any
weather.

Per, what kind of sad troll is this?
For shame!

Bent boom? Unbreakable? Oh, okay!

Bwahahahaha!

RB


After reading the rest of this thread I expect you to take back what you
just said.

--
Perre

You have to be smarter than a robot to reply.

The Bent Boom
 

Keep up the good work!

S.Simon


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
How about that cast Neal,

Caught the self proclaimed master troller and a junk fish with the same
"Step Ladder Stern Bait"

Not to shabby for a Ole Fart, Huh?

OT

The Bent Boom
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| At least the ladder is functional and in good shape.
|
| It is damn ugly though. Can't imagine why they didn't replace it with a
folding
| model. It's original to the boat.

Bob.. I hate to break it to you... but Alien ain't no Cabo Rico or Swan.
It's a carbon copy puddle duck. The lines are plain. The deck layout is
uninspiring. The fit is poor. The attention to detail is non existent. It's
just another plain jane sedan in the parking lot. It's lost among it's
almost identical neighbours both on the mooring field and at the dock....
the only character it has is the friggin ladder....

I hope someday you find a boat with character and spirit.

CM

The Bent Boom
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
Bob.. I hate to break it to you... but Alien ain't no Cabo Rico or Swan.
It's a carbon copy puddle duck. The lines are plain. The deck layout is
uninspiring. The fit is poor. The attention to detail is non existent. It's
just another plain jane sedan in the parking lot. It's lost among it's
almost identical neighbours both on the mooring field and at the dock....
the only character it has is the friggin ladder....

I hope someday you find a boat with character and spirit.


Even a Seidelmann is better than what's Booby has right now -
errrr, I guess I shoulda said 'what Booby's wife has'.
Bwaahahahahahahahahahah!

S.Simon - Booby's nemesis

The Bent Boom
 

The lines are plain. The deck layout is
uninspiring. The fit is poor. The attention to detail is non existent. It's
just another plain jane sedan in the parking lot.

Hmmmm...so much for C&Cs rep for being one of the better production boats
around.
You heard here 1st folks!

RB

The Bent Boom
 

The key word being " Production Boat", Something like a ChevyG

You can always spot the Alien by the "Step Ladder Stern" A lot of
Chevy owners do that sort of thing. Fancy chrom wheels,etc. Maybe the
"Step Ladder Stern" will catch on. Who knows?

OT

The Bent Boom
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| The lines are plain. The deck layout is
| uninspiring. The fit is poor. The attention to detail is non existent.
It's
| just another plain jane sedan in the parking lot.
|
| Hmmmm...so much for C&Cs rep for being one of the better production boats
| around.
| You heard here 1st folks!

I didn't say it was a lemon... I said it was just another sedan. If common,
plain, ordinary, stock, basic and average are the guidelines you employ when
seeking a sailboat... I'd say you hit the nail bang on the head.

They say a boat reflects it's owners personality.... Horvath sails a
Hunter.. Nuff Said?

CM

The Bent Boom
 

And what's "Overproof", a Ford F250 pick up truck?

So, if boats reflect their owner then you're a truck driver.

S.Simon




"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...
I didn't say it was a lemon... I said it was just another sedan. If common,
plain, ordinary, stock, basic and average are the guidelines you employ when
seeking a sailboat... I'd say you hit the nail bang on the head.

They say a boat reflects it's owners personality.... Horvath sails a
Hunter.. Nuff Said?

CM

The Bent Boom
 

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| And what's "Overproof", a Ford F250 pick up truck?
|
| So, if boats reflect their owner then you're a truck driver.

By that scale... you've got a Ride on Lawnmower. Distinctive ..Yes....
functional not really... competitive Bwahahahahaaa!

CM

The Bent Boom
 

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ...

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...
| And what's "Overproof", a Ford F250 pick up truck?
|
| So, if boats reflect their owner then you're a truck driver.

By that scale... you've got a Ride on Lawnmower. Distinctive ..Yes....
functional not really... competitive Bwahahahahaaa!



Wrong! My yacht is more like an AMC Pacer! Quick, nimble,
lots of room inside, reliable, economical, smart looking, and
safe.

S.Simon

The Bent Boom
 

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 17:56:16 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap:


Wrong! My yacht is more like an AMC Pacer! Quick, nimble,
lots of room inside, reliable, economical, smart looking, and
safe.

You forgot to mention; outdated, slow, beat-up, ugly, and old.





Ave Imperator Bush!
Bush Was Right! Four More Years!

The Bent Boom
 

"Horvath" wrote in message ...

You forgot to mention; outdated, slow, beat-up, ugly, and old.


Shame on your for talking about your poor mother like that!

S.Simon

The Bent Boom
 

I thought he was talking about his gardner boyfriend.

"Simple Simon" wrote in message
...

"Horvath" wrote in message
...

You forgot to mention; outdated, slow, beat-up, ugly, and old.


Shame on your for talking about your poor mother like that!

S.Simon

The Bent Boom
 

Get it through your thick skull, Booby, the boom as you see it
now is stronger than it was when new.

Yea but with 50 lbs. of steel pipe addwd what's it like in light air?
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

Bob.. I hate to break it to you... but Alien ain't no Cabo Rico or Swan.
It's a carbon copy puddle duck. The lines are plain. The deck layout is
uninspiring. The fit is poor. The attention to detail is non existent. It's
just another plain jane sedan in the parking lot. It's lost among it's
almost identical neighbours both on the mooring field and at the dock....
the only character it has is the friggin ladder....

And then there's the stern.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

Wrong! My yacht is more like an AMC Pacer! Quick, nimble,
lots of room inside, reliable, economical, smart looking, and
safe.

ROFLMAO!


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

You can always spot the Alien by the "Step Ladder Stern"

Come on guys he's just trying to copy the radar arch on the new hunters.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

They say a boat reflects it's owners personality.... Horvath sails a
Hunter.. Nuff Said?

A boat reflects the owner when they are satisfied with it.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| I thought this troll over for a bit...
| Few sailboats are ugly or plain to me, especially under sail. Even a
Catalina
| and Hunter are things of beauty, sails set against a blue sky.
| That Mooron thinks a C&C is a "puddle duck" speaks volumes. Sure, there
are
| boats I "prefer" but I love sailboats of all types. Even a Mac26x is a
| facination feat of semi-succseful engineering.
| I'm sorry for Mooron.

So in effect you're saying that Cappy's Coronado is after all a thing of
beauty??
That a MacGregor 26XL is a thing of beauty?

No Bob... beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder and although you might
like the lines of a C&C... when every other boat looks like a knock off
replica.. the beauty of the vessel is lost like a tree against the forest.
When you can't identify your own vessel in a mooring field of look alikes...
the point becomes moot. I can readily Spot a Hans Christian or a Cabo Rico
on a mooring field or at the dock. Those lines are timeless and exquisite.
They define grace and power. Unless you are racing in a class... why would
you want a boat that looks like every other off the mold knock off??

CM

The Bent Boom
 

So in effect you're saying that Cappy's Coronado is after all a thing of
beauty??
That a MacGregor 26XL is a thing of beauty?

In this world of trucks, skyscrapers and oil rigs...yes...ALL sailboats are
things of beauty. The differences between them are actually very slight. They
operate by the wind and this is a wonderful thing! I've used less than half a
tank of diesel all season, and most it was in last weekend's windless trip to
Northport.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

when every other boat looks like a knock off
replica.. the beauty of the vessel is lost like a tree against the forest.

Exactly. I can appreciate the forest and the individual trees.
You should be old enough to do this as well.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

Those lines are timeless and exquisite.
They define grace and power. Unless you are racing in a class... why would
you want a boat that looks like every other off the mold knock off??

When you're moving up to bigger and better boats, it's best to take the
learning curve easy. You mention Cabo Rico and Hans Christian boats....and they
are duds here due to light air. J-Boats are popular due to light air ability.
You have to sail what suits your cruising grounds and not cater to what other
people deem a "character boat."
There's no "character" in motoring an Island Packet 35 around in 5 knots where
my C&C can sail easily.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I can
prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light air.
I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.

Although it takes no talent at all to get a fin keeled ULDB moving in light
air.... the true test of a sailor is to get comparable performance from a
medium displacement vessel in the same conditions.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| Those lines are timeless and exquisite.
| They define grace and power. Unless you are racing in a class... why would
| you want a boat that looks like every other off the mold knock off??
|
| When you're moving up to bigger and better boats, it's best to take the
| learning curve easy. You mention Cabo Rico and Hans Christian boats....and
they
| are duds here due to light air. J-Boats are popular due to light air
ability.
| You have to sail what suits your cruising grounds and not cater to what
other
| people deem a "character boat."
| There's no "character" in motoring an Island Packet 35 around in 5 knots
where
| my C&C can sail easily.
|
| RB

The Bent Boom
 

You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I can
prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light air.
I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.

Not at all. I never said that. But it's no fun going for a dead-day-sail on a
heavier full keel boat on the LIS, when other, lighter, higher S/ad boats are
having a blast.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
| You seem to think that only a ULDB is able to move in light airs.... I
can
| prove you wrong with my crab crusher. A Cabo Rico 38 is great in light
air.
| I know.. I've sailed one for 3 weeks in the Bahamas.
|
| Not at all. I never said that. But it's no fun going for a dead-day-sail
on a
| heavier full keel boat on the LIS, when other, lighter, higher S/ad boats
are
| having a blast.

Yes .. I can see your point. When impeded by lack of talent it's always
better to conform to the norm. I'm glad I can sail my cruiser in light
air... make a good turn of speed... and have a blast all at the same time. I
would comment that in due time you too would be able to undertake this
endeavor... but your progress to date has indicated that there is no
probability of that ever occurring. Maybe with Suzanne's instruction you
might progress a bit faster. Good Luck Bob!

CM

The Bent Boom
 

Yes .. I can see your point. When impeded by lack of talent it's always
better to conform to the norm.

Sorry, Mooron. You can call adherence to laws of physics a "lack of talent"
till your face turns blue. Doesn't change the facts that a heavy boat is a
heavy boat. Weight, sail area and wetted surface are real things. No amount of
talent is going to change the basic design limits of a vessel.
My friend's vindo is a crab crusher. He's a far more experienced sailor that I
am. He can tweak his rig till doomsday and he's still not enjoy 8 knots of air
the way we do. When he came out on Alien it affirmed his desire to buy a boat
better suited to the area. The Vindo, loaded with "character" is for sale.
Perhaps you shouldn't look to an object, such as boats and cars, to give you
"character." Try building some of your own.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Bwaaahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

Tell us again about your 8 knots and situations where my boat wouldn't be
able to keep up....
Tell us again how your boat is suited to light winds....
Tell us again about sail area ....

"Bobsprit" wrote in message

| Sorry, Mooron,snip drivel

Performance Comparison LOA C&C 32 32.9

Nordica 30 29.49

LWL C&C 32 25

Nordica 30 25

Beam C&C 32 10.37

Nordica 30 9.77

Displacement C&C 32 10080

Nordica 30 10220

Sail Area C&C 32 475

Nordica 30 502

Capsize Ratio C&C 32 1.92

Nordica 30 1.8

Hull Speed C&C 32 6.7

Nordica 30 6.7

Sail Area to Displacement C&C 32 16.29

Nordica 30 17.06

Displacement to LWL C&C 32 288

Nordica 30 292

LWL to Beam C&C 32 2.41

Nordica 30 2.56

Motion Comfort C&C 32 25.06

Nordica 30 28.57

Pounds/Inch C&C 32 926

Nordica 30 873

The Bent Boom
 

This is making you sound like a romantic, which is slightly
nauseating but understandable.

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
So in effect you're saying that Cappy's Coronado is after all a thing of
beauty??
That a MacGregor 26XL is a thing of beauty?

In this world of trucks, skyscrapers and oil rigs...yes...ALL sailboats
are
things of beauty. The differences between them are actually very slight.
They
operate by the wind and this is a wonderful thing! I've used less than
half a
tank of diesel all season, and most it was in last weekend's windless trip
to
Northport.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Sorry again, Mooron. Your boat is rated 180-190, if I recall corectly. The
numbers are in the same ballpark as the Vindo. The C&C 32 is rated as low as
152.
Wetted surface and pointing are not listed in the your numbers. My boat would
sail circles around you.
If you truly don't know that, as Neal seems to think his Coronado is "fast"
then you can't be helped.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

J-Boats are popular due to light air ability

Excuse me but I have told you before that the J30 you seem to love is
considered a light air dog. That's why the class went to a 163% genoa after
years of bitching by the people who actually own the boat.


S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

The C&C 32 is rated as low as
152.

LOL.............. A 32 foot PHRF 'C' boat.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
Trains are a winter sport

The Bent Boom
 

Excuse me but I have told you before that the J30 you seem to love is
considered a light air dog.

Only as a racer, dummy. We're not talking racing. Can you ever switch gears?
As a cruiser, the J30 is a good light air boat.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

Somewhere the C&C32 may be rated at 152, but in the light air LIS they are rated 171. The
two listed race at 183 without spinnaker. I noticed two Nonsuch 30's racing at 174. I
also found a Pearson 30 racing at 183. So what you're claiming is that in a light air
round-the-buoys race, your C&C would be beat by a Nonsuch unless you used a spinnaker.
And you'd race even with your old P30.

The Nordica is rated 191 in LIS, but there are none in LIS, so we can't tell what they
would race at.

http://www.yralis.org/2003-certificates/030702class.pdf

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Wham.... Bob gets yanked out of the fighting chair again.... Read Below and
weep Bob!

Sorry again, Mooron. Your boat is rated 180-190, if I recall corectly. The
numbers are in the same ballpark as the Vindo. The C&C 32 is rated as low as
152.
Wetted surface and pointing are not listed in the your numbers. My boat would
sail circles around you.
If you truly don't know that, as Neal seems to think his Coronado is "fast"
then you can't be helped.

RB

The Bent Boom
 

Somewhere the C&C32 may be rated at 152, but in the light air LIS they are
rated 171.

rated 159-166 here, Jeff.
Sorry.
http://www.pipeline.com/~wayneb/phrflis.htm#j

RB

The Bent Boom
 

And you'd race even with your old P30.

So, Jeff...you think a Pearson 30 is faster than a C&C 32???

RB