Vito wrote in :

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.


Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???


Good lord.


You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and whenever it
likes.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
Vito wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.

Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???

You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and whenever
it
likes.

Of course, it's our GPS and we can do with it what we like.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.

Yeah, I told my Uncle Bush to turn them off on you. ;-p

LP

ubject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Lady Pilot" xing
Date: 09/07/2003 15:24 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
Vito wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.

Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???

You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and whenever
it
likes.

Of course, it's our GPS and we can do with it what we like.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.

Yeah, I told my Uncle Bush to turn them off on you. ;-p

LP


Not to dis anyone about GPS, but more and more, I'm seeing articles about the
return/upgrading of Loran, to cover some of the potential problems with GPS
degradation and signal interference ..... EG don't throw those Loran
receivers away.......yet......

Shen

If you actually think Loran is ever going to be more
useful than GPS then you're daft. I tossed my Loran
in the junk pile six months ago after getting sick of it
being about a mile off on latitude for the whole of
southern Florida and worse for the Bahamas. It was
OK on the West Coast of Florida, not too good on
the East coast of Florida but got better as I went
up the East coast to Capt Hatteras. It was hopeless
in the North Atlantic out around Bermuda and
along the 65 degrees west long. It's useless around
Haiti and Cuba. Might as well steer by the stars.

I can see the headlines now, "Unlimited Master Grounds
Tugboat Because of Inaccurate GPS Signal".

S.Simon - the one and only Master Mariner here.


"Shen44" wrote in message ...
ubject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Lady Pilot" xing
Date: 09/07/2003 15:24 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
Vito wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.

Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???

You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and whenever
it
likes.

Of course, it's our GPS and we can do with it what we like.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.

Yeah, I told my Uncle Bush to turn them off on you. ;-p

LP


Not to dis anyone about GPS, but more and more, I'm seeing articles about the
return/upgrading of Loran, to cover some of the potential problems with GPS
degradation and signal interference ..... EG don't throw those Loran
receivers away.......yet......

Shen

Subject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 09/07/2003 19:01 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

If you actually think Loran is ever going to be more
useful than GPS then you're daft. I tossed my Loran
in the junk pile six months ago after getting sick of it
being about a mile off on latitude for the whole of
southern Florida and worse for the Bahamas.

ROFL try reading for content, Neal, not, typically what you want to
read........besides, what do you care? You never get to sea anyway.

Shen

"Shen44" wrote in message ...
Subject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Simple Simon"
Date: 09/07/2003 19:01 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

If you actually think Loran is ever going to be more
useful than GPS then you're daft. I tossed my Loran
in the junk pile six months ago after getting sick of it
being about a mile off on latitude for the whole of
southern Florida and worse for the Bahamas.

ROFL try reading for content, Neal, not, typically what you want to
read........besides, what do you care? You never get to sea anyway.

You're lucky I like you, Capt. Shen. One of these days when
your ship is foundering in a storm at sea maybe you'll be lucky
enough to have me sailing my yacht in the area. I'll be happy
to rescue you from an awful fate. There's room for five or
six of your officers aboard the safety of my positive flotation
yacht but the deck hands will have to take to a life raft and
fend for themselves. We officers should stick together but
those under us don't deserve equal treatment.

S.Simon - a safer boat and captain has rarely sailed the seven seas.

"Shen44" wrote:
ubject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Lady Pilot" xing
Date: 09/07/2003 15:24 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
Vito wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.

Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???

You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and
whenever
it
likes.

Of course, it's our GPS and we can do with it what we like.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.

Yeah, I told my Uncle Bush to turn them off on you. ;-p

LP


Not to dis anyone about GPS, but more and more, I'm seeing articles
about the
return/upgrading of Loran, to cover some of the potential problems
with GPS
degradation and signal interference ..... EG don't throw those Loran
receivers away.......yet......

Shen

Well, Shen, I'm going to confess a little secret here. When I first
started flying in the early '80s, we had a Loran in our Piper Cherokee
Arrow. My flight instructor was a FI in WWII teaching the P-38 etc.,
but I digress...(long story, back to the subject)

Anyway, my friend who is a Scuba and Skydiving pro with a past Marine
secret clearance told me that he went to lunch with the inventor of the
Loran and they were not allowed to give the *exact* location for
security reasons. You should be aware that if I walk out of my house at
anytime, they can read the time on my watch if they *want* to... and
some times they do! hehee

LP

"Simple Simon" wrote:

You're lucky I like you, Capt. Shen. One of these days when
your ship is foundering in a storm at sea maybe you'll be lucky
enough to have me sailing my yacht in the area.

How long does it take you to saw off the chain on your mooring?

LP ;-)

Well, with a loran, they wouldn't have to worry about
giving away the exact location.

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
.. .

"Shen44" wrote:
ubject: Is Celestial Nav Worth the Effort?
From: "Lady Pilot" xing
Date: 09/07/2003 15:24 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote:
Vito wrote:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Simple Simon" wrote
GPS ain't never going down for the count. ...

Until you sail into an area that's been suppressed.

Ah ... er ... where's that? N.Y.? Gay Bay? ???

You do know that the military dithers the signal wherever and
whenever
it
likes.

Of course, it's our GPS and we can do with it what we like.

I regularly traverse a large area with no coverage whatsoever.

Yeah, I told my Uncle Bush to turn them off on you. ;-p

LP


Not to dis anyone about GPS, but more and more, I'm seeing articles
about the
return/upgrading of Loran, to cover some of the potential problems
with GPS
degradation and signal interference ..... EG don't throw those Loran
receivers away.......yet......

Shen

Well, Shen, I'm going to confess a little secret here. When I first
started flying in the early '80s, we had a Loran in our Piper Cherokee
Arrow. My flight instructor was a FI in WWII teaching the P-38 etc.,
but I digress...(long story, back to the subject)

Anyway, my friend who is a Scuba and Skydiving pro with a past Marine
secret clearance told me that he went to lunch with the inventor of the
Loran and they were not allowed to give the *exact* location for
security reasons. You should be aware that if I walk out of my house at
anytime, they can read the time on my watch if they *want* to... and
some times they do! hehee

LP

On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 03:24:54 GMT, "Lady Pilot"
wrote this crap:

Anyway, my friend who is a Scuba and Skydiving pro with a past Marine
secret clearance told me that he went to lunch with the inventor of the
Loran and they were not allowed to give the *exact* location for
security reasons. You should be aware that if I walk out of my house at
anytime, they can read the time on my watch if they *want* to... and
some times they do! hehee

If you believe this, you're an idiot.





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