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It finally hit me.
Too much fog up in Maine and too many sailors like you,
Shen44 and otnmbrd who refuse to give way to sailboats in a fog. It's just too dangerous for me. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... I've always admitted to the boat I have and why I decided on it. I'll even admit that I've had second thoughts - then I've heard horror stories of the outboards going belly up without any spare parts in the hemisphere. But the bottom line is that I've already done a lot more sailing than you, so I don't mind admitting that now that I'm older and have family responsibilities, I enjoy getting to a beautiful destination, and don't mind using the engine to get there. Tell you what Neal: why don't you throw away your engine, your GPS, and your VHF and cruise the Maine coast for a season. Then we'll let you join the club of real sailors! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... So you finally grew large enough gonads to admit the truth. You value your motors above your sails. Your main concern when buying a so-called sailboat was what engine(s) to fit. That strikes me as pathetic. It proves my contention that you are just another motor boater pretending to be a sailor - or, to be a little more kind, an old sailor who's gotten too lazy to sail much any more. To correct a couple of your misconceptions, my little outboard is a 2001, 9.9 HP, Honda 4-stroke which meets 2006 emission standards. It is a far cleaner and environmentally friendly than your twin diesel pollution machines. It burns less than two quarts per hour at five knots and does not use pre-mix so it doesn't put oil into the water and air like 2-stroke outboard engines. It has a 12 amp alternator (optional charging coil). It cost me only $1800. It weighs in at 100 pounds. As an option your environmentally unfriendly diesels probably cost you well over ten grand for the pair. They weigh at least five to seven times more than my 100 pound motor/transmission/prop combination. They harm the performance of your boat more than you'll ever know until you toss the lot overboard and do some pure sailing sometime again instead of allowing your being ever so out of shape and obese to force you into motoring the majority of the time. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Address the issue? Your ramblings about "First she's a sailboat" is just your way of saying you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to powering a sailboat. The truth is, you have just as much power, proportionately, as most other boats. However, you have it hanging off the stern so it causes more drag by squatting the stern than my folding props do. Its useless in a surf because the prop will come out of the water. It has a 6 Amp alternator. Yours is probably a 2-stroke that spews a trail of fuel wherever you go. And to top it off, your log shows that on your last trip to the Bahamas you powered there, you powered back, and you powered much of the time you were there! But you're right about one thing - I had the option of powering with twin 10HP outboards but chose the small diesels because I knew I would be powering at least 3000 miles in the first 2 years I owned the boat. But still, 36HP for a 36 foot boat isn't really overkill. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Nautical science? Where did that combination of words come from I wonder. Maybe from a group of ignorant, self-centered folks who wish to make of sailing something other than it is? Next thing you'll be claiming is some nonsense like 'multi-hull science' or 'the science of nose picking'. But the bottom line is you once more failed to address the issue which is 'first she's a sailboat' which means EVERYTHING - even your precious motors come in a poor second. You also failed to understand that EVERYTHING that in any way compromises the ability of a sailboat so sail up to her potential is not to be valued above pure sailing. If you think otherwise you're no sailor. In your particular case you have two diesels in a boat which can in no way be considered an honest sailboat. Your catamaran is a motorboat with sails. S.Simon "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Typical Neal gibberish to hide is total ignorance of nautical science. It really drives him crazy that there are people who understand naval architecture as a science and are skeptical of crackpots who make it up as they go. -jeff - Two Motors for Two Hulls! "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... And you, Jeff, like the majority of pretend sailors here, consistently fail to remember Rule 1 which states "First she's a sailboat". Any and all discussion of volume and or displacement of water which boils down to mass can be more simply stated using LOA since ballasted monohull sailboats all fall within a predictable range of mass. When one keeps Rule 1 in mind at all times it becomes increasingly evident that everything - yes, even motors (some absurd people have TWO of them) come second, third, fourth etc. It follows that since 'first she's a sailboat' that any and all motors are intended to be a supplement and only needed for flat water when there is no wind. Any and all other reasons to use your motor(s) that require such ridiculous levels of HP and weight violate Rule 1. This cannot be argued. S.Simon - keeps his priorities straight. "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message ... Sorry about the late reply - I'm just catching up ... Your claim of "one horsepower for every foot of length" is absurd and shows a remarkable lack of understanding of nautical science. Required HP is not a function of length, it is a function of displacement. The Simplistic way to remember this is that moving the boat requires pushing aside a volume of water equal to the displacement. The rough rule of thumb is that one HP for each 500-600 pounds of displacement is required to push a boat to hull speed. For a Coronado 27, this works out to about 10-12 HP. For a Hinckley Bermuda 40, a boa t Bill Tripp would prefer to be remembered for, this is 40 HP. The newer H42 displaces 23,500 and has 50 HP; the 51 displaces 40,000 and has 88 HP. All perfectly appropriate. Remember that diesel should be run at 80% rpm, where the output is considerably less than the rated power. So how does displacement vary with length? This is roughly a "cubic" function. The "Displacement/Length" ratio is roughly constant for a given design style, and is usually computed as "Tons / ( (WL ft/100) **3). Thus, a boat twice as long will displace 8 times as much, and require 8 times the HP. This fits in with the boats listed. Once again, Neal has displayed mathematical and scientific skills consistent with his education as an English major. -jeff "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Dear Ms. Carroll You're beginning to catch on, Mam! Of course, any boat that has more than one horsepower for every foot of length in NOT a sailboat. It is simply a motor boat with spars. The very best it can be called is a "motor sailer." Think of how absurd the very idea of 50 horsepower in any 42-foot motor boat with masts really is? It only takes 20 horses to drive that particular Hinckley to hull speed. So, why all the extra power and weight? The answer is simple. It's because the boat is designed to motor and charge huge battery banks to run all manner of unnecessary crud that really has no business aboard a sailboat. Nobody but rich, ignorant snobs own Hinckley's anyway. Hinckleys are an example of a boat that is way way way overpriced for what you get. Only rich ignorant snobs spend so much money on a name. These same people wear Rolex Oysters not because they keep any better time than a cheap Timex but because they think it gives them status. Well, the bottom line is their boat and wrist watch are only owned so they can feel good about themselves. For the most part these people are no different than Bobsprit except they have money to burn. They think brand names mean everything and since they can buy pretty much whatever they want they buy things they think will make people the most envious. Little do they realize real sailors laugh at them and their ignorance. Real sailors know what these pathetic individuals are all about. We laugh when we see them motoring their so-called sailboats around expecting folks to ooh and aah! Would that they were more honest and just bought a motor boat in the first place. S.Simon - has more common sense than most people "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . So a Hinkley Sou'wester is not a sailboat? 50 hp at 42 feet. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Kelton Joyner" wrote in message ... So, a 38' Cabo Rico is not a sailboat? BS. A Cabo Rico 38' is, indeed, a motor boat with sails unless someone had one commissioned without motor. Any sailboat that has a built in motor with more than one horsepower for each meter of length is a motorsailer at best. What's a Cabo Rico 38 have? About 40-50 horsepower? To be a sailboat it would have to have no more than 12 horsepower. S.Simon |
It finally hit me.
Too much fog up in Maine and too many sailors like you,
Shen44 and otnmbrd who refuse to give way to sailboats in a fog. It's just too dangerous for me. Some sailor. Oh, it's only cowardly neal! RB |
It finally hit me.
Simple Simon wrote: Too much fog up in Maine and too many sailors like you, Shen44 and otnmbrd who refuse to give way to sailboats in a fog. It's just too dangerous for me. S.Simon Unlike you, Neal, the three of us, when on any type of vessel (be it sail or power), when hearing the fog signal of a vessel forward of our beam, which may involve a close quarters situation or risk of collision, will reduce our speed to the minimum at which we can be kept on course and if necessary take all way off and in any event, navigate with extreme caution until danger of collision has passed. For us, it won't matter if we are on a sailboat or powerboat, nor will it matter what type of vessel we are approaching, for.....it could well be some clown such as yourself, who thinks he has some special privileges in fog because he is sail and is proceeding as if in normal visibility. otn |
It finally hit me.
How about the Toledo light to the North Tower of Big Mac Via the Milwalkee
light? This is one of my favorite little cruises.I will even give you 4 hours of head start. July 4th 2004 6am. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... Dear Ms. Carroll You're beginning to catch on, Mam! Of course, any boat that has more than one horsepower for every foot of length in NOT a sailboat. It is simply a motor boat with spars. The very best it can be called is a "motor sailer." Think of how absurd the very idea of 50 horsepower in any 42-foot motor boat with masts really is? It only takes 20 horses to drive that particular Hinckley to hull speed. So, why all the extra power and weight? The answer is simple. It's because the boat is designed to motor and charge huge battery banks to run all manner of unnecessary crud that really has no business aboard a sailboat. Nobody but rich, ignorant snobs own Hinckley's anyway. Hinckleys are an example of a boat that is way way way overpriced for what you get. Only rich ignorant snobs spend so much money on a name. These same people wear Rolex Oysters not because they keep any better time than a cheap Timex but because they think it gives them status. Well, the bottom line is their boat and wrist watch are only owned so they can feel good about themselves. For the most part these people are no different than Bobsprit except they have money to burn. They think brand names mean everything and since they can buy pretty much whatever they want they buy things they think will make people the most envious. Little do they realize real sailors laugh at them and their ignorance. Real sailors know what these pathetic individuals are all about. We laugh when we see them motoring their so-called sailboats around expecting folks to ooh and aah! Would that they were more honest and just bought a motor boat in the first place. S.Simon - has more common sense than most people "The Carrolls" wrote in message .. . So a Hinkley Sou'wester is not a sailboat? 50 hp at 42 feet. "Simple Simon" wrote in message ... "Kelton Joyner" wrote in message ... So, a 38' Cabo Rico is not a sailboat? BS. A Cabo Rico 38' is, indeed, a motor boat with sails unless someone had one commissioned without motor. Any sailboat that has a built in motor with more than one horsepower for each meter of length is a motorsailer at best. What's a Cabo Rico 38 have? About 40-50 horsepower? To be a sailboat it would have to have no more than 12 horsepower. S.Simon |
It finally hit me.
"The Carrolls" wrote in message ... How about the Toledo light to the North Tower of Big Mac Via the Milwalkee light? This is one of my favorite little cruises.I will even give you 4 hours of head start. July 4th 2004 6am. Your MacDonald's have towers? Ours have arches. Anyway, in case you've not noticed, I'm talking racing in sailboats and not in PT Cruisers and if a race ain't comprised mostly of ocean sailing then it's hardly sailing at all. I think everybody here but me is actually afraid to go off-soundings. A fine bunch of pansies you all are . . . S.Simon - if your depth sounder can get a reading they you ain't really sailing. S.Simon |
It finally hit me.
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It finally hit me.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 19:11:12 GMT, "The Carrolls"
wrote this crap: How about the Toledo light to the North Tower of Big Mac Via the Milwalkee light? This is one of my favorite little cruises.I will even give you 4 hours of head start. July 4th 2004 6am. "Little cruise"? You never been anywhere near there. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
It finally hit me.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 15:27:03 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap: "The Carrolls" wrote in message ... How about the Toledo light to the North Tower of Big Mac Via the Milwalkee light? This is one of my favorite little cruises.I will even give you 4 hours of head start. July 4th 2004 6am. Your MacDonald's have towers? Ours have arches. Biggest arches are at the Machinaw bridge, dumbass. You'd know that if you ever sailed. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
It finally hit me.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 16:49:14 -0400, "Simple Simon"
wrote this crap: I never chicken out but I DO INSIST on setting the race course. Some people have the cheek to say I don't sail and never leave the mooring, etc. but they're wrong. I sail so much that some little sheltered water day trip is not my idea of sailing anymore. I like oceans and long distances single-handing. I like boat and master to work as a team over long periods of time and strong winds with big seas derived from hundreds or thousands of miles of fetch. I don't like to see readings on my depth sounder for extended periods of time and I like to see 20-30 knots on my anemometer. If I'm gonna hafta spend my time racing some wannabe klutz then I insist on making a voyage out of it - not some silly around the buoys flim-flamery. I've no interest in racing some crummy little inland course. That's for lubbers like Bobsprit, LOCO, Pony Express, Horvath, Ganz, Katysails, Mooron, Oz1, Donal, Navigator, Haggie, Jeff Morris, Shen44, onnmbrd, Joe Butcher, Billy Jane, etc. etc. So, please don't insult me with anything less than a race of at least five hundred miles with mostly open water. S.Simon - a man, a legend, a standard by which others are judged. This is good. I gotta mark this. Pimple Pieman is leaving the mooring ball. This signature is now the ultimate power in the universe |
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