Passagemakers? You mean people who are using autopilots to hold a course? Assuming its
compass based, the traditional compass is the backup.

Also, there isn't much piloting to practice while on passage.


"Oz1" Cappy_killfiled_me_in_asa_What_a_wimp wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:13:03 -0700, "Jonathan Ganz"
wrote:

I think it's a matter of doing the right thing vs. the need to
use it... a good habit to get into. Then, as with most habits,
you don't have to think about it.

I can't imagine that the few hours of direct sunlight
over the course of use would have a significant effect on
either the look or life of the compass. They're built for
use. Most of the damage caused to compass is typically
that someone washed the dome with a harsh chem or
left them uncovered for months at a time. According to
the same logic, you could leave your sails in their bags
because of the threat of premature damage. This would,
of course, be foolish.

Jon, passage makers usually open the compass to check a heading then
slide the cover back on to protect a valuable tool. To leave it
exposed moore than necessary is foolish.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.
I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

practice in daylight, how do you know how to do it in the haze?


Sure but practice every time?

According to Neal and Ganz you should ALWAYS be piloting!

RB

Are you telling us that you made the run through Hellgate without
monitoring 9, 13, and 16? Are you telling us that you made no
securite call at the throgs neck, brothers, or the gate, announcing
your vessel, route and destination?

Nope, and no one I know does this either. Nor did the Clearwater or Petrel. The
Petrel was professionaly run...but the radio wasn't left on. Why would I make
security calls? I've had my radio on and NEVER heard such a call, let alone
anyone announcing their route and destination for a three hour trip down the
river. The trip down the river is a TINY little run requiring little more than
staying clear of occasional traffic and watching for debris.

RB

July 19, 2003, 4:18 PM securite, securite, securite, this is the S/V
Eventide, motoring past lawrence point, westbound for the gate.

July 19, 2003, 4:20 PM securite , securite, securite, this is the
Bouchard Bros. pushing a heavy approaching Mill Rock, east bound
through the gate.

July 19, 2003 4:30 PM Bouchard Bros, Bouchard Bros, This is Eventide,
I have you in sight, I am the sailboat on your port bow. what do you
want cap, 1 or 2?

July 19, 2003 4;30 PM see you on 1 cap, thanks for asking.

I passed a large tug and very large fuel barge, aggregate length of
over 200 feet directly under the Triboro Bridge two hours into the ebb
at 10 kn ground speed.

Prior to that, I had detoured around the Brothers due to a fuel barge
coming up channel between them as a result of radio communications.

Subsequent to Bouchard Bros,I passed a Circle Line tour boat and a DEP
sludge boat in the restricted channel between 72nd and 53rd street and
a tug and tow in Butter Milk channel. all contacted on radio with
confirmed passing instructions.

You can pattern your behaviour on whom ever you want, Bob. but I
assure you, the Clearwater and the Petral would get on the horn if
they were approaching a current swept blind corner.

On 28 Jul 2003 23:28:00 GMT, (CANDChelp) wrote:


Nope, and no one I know does this either. Nor did the Clearwater or Petrel. The
Petrel was professionaly run...but the radio wasn't left on. Why would I make
security calls? I've had my radio on and NEVER heard such a call, let alone
anyone announcing their route and destination for a three hour trip down the
river. The trip down the river is a TINY little run requiring little more than
staying clear of occasional traffic and watching for debris.

RB

Prior to that, I had detoured around the Brothers due to a fuel barge
coming up channel between them as a result of radio communications.

Why did you need radio contact for this? You could have just taken the second
course without a word needed. Hell, we passed a big tug there the other night.
We just fell off and let him pass. I doubt he was worried about lack of contact
as I gave way well in advance.

RB

You should, assuming you sail in anything other than a totally benign environment. This
doesn't plotting courses and working running fixes, but it should mean having a fair guess
of your compass course.

BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In their life? Know
what it is?


"CANDChelp" wrote in message
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practice in daylight, how do you know how to do it in the haze?


Sure but practice every time?

According to Neal and Ganz you should ALWAYS be piloting!

RB

Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message

| BTW, How many people here have done a running fix in the last year? In
their life? Know
| what it is?

Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff.

Suzzy learned it a few weeks ago. She likes the nav stuff.

RB

I'm glad to hear that. Learning it and doing it are two very different things. You keep
sounding like my 7-year old "I don't need to practice - I already know how!"



"CANDChelp" wrote in message
...
Running fix...... 4 times this year... all instruction to crew and as an
exercise for myself. That's very basic stuff Jeff.

Suzzy learned it a few weeks ago. She likes the nav stuff.

RB

Jon, passage makers usually open the compass to check a heading then
slide the cover back on to protect a valuable tool. To leave it
exposed moore than necessary is foolish.

My friend always removed his compass cover, even for daysails. I guess he
thought it looked cool until he lost his balance and put the winch handle
through it.
Oh well. Maybe the cover wouldn't have stopped the handle anyway.

RB