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Hey Donal
I'l try it again as well... I might get it to work on a reach if I
continuously adjust and trim the sails.... I'm not holding my breath. Has anyone else managed to sail upwing with a rudder swinging free for more than what would constitute normal momentum over a short period.??? CM "Donal" wrote in message ... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | Not upwind he wouldn't... not unless his rudder is so stiff as to act as a | friction dampener. Not for ten seconds unless you calculate momentum and | not | for a minute without a locked helm or a bungee cord. | | Like I said... regardless of seastate or wind strength.... it can't be | done. | | | I'm not so sure! If I get a chance I'll try it this weekend. | | When you say that it can't be done by sail trim alone, are you assuming | that the sails are going to be set, and left in position? When I say that | I can steer the boat with the sails I mean that the main is being constantly | adjusted, and the jenny less so. | | | In most wind/sea states I wouldn't be able to hold a steady course, but I | would be able to steer to my destination. That was the purpose of my trials | last year .... to see if I needed an emergency rudder. The result was that | I don't. | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | |
Hey Donal
Yes but it requires a flat sea.
Cheers MC Capt. Mooron wrote: I'l try it again as well... I might get it to work on a reach if I continuously adjust and trim the sails.... I'm not holding my breath. Has anyone else managed to sail upwing with a rudder swinging free for more than what would constitute normal momentum over a short period.??? CM "Donal" wrote in message ... | | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message | ... | Not upwind he wouldn't... not unless his rudder is so stiff as to act as a | friction dampener. Not for ten seconds unless you calculate momentum and | not | for a minute without a locked helm or a bungee cord. | | Like I said... regardless of seastate or wind strength.... it can't be | done. | | | I'm not so sure! If I get a chance I'll try it this weekend. | | When you say that it can't be done by sail trim alone, are you assuming | that the sails are going to be set, and left in position? When I say that | I can steer the boat with the sails I mean that the main is being constantly | adjusted, and the jenny less so. | | | In most wind/sea states I wouldn't be able to hold a steady course, but I | would be able to steer to my destination. That was the purpose of my trials | last year .... to see if I needed an emergency rudder. The result was that | I don't. | | | | Regards | | | Donal | -- | | | |
Hey Donal
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message | I could do it with the Mac. So you are stating you sail like Bob??????? CM |
Hey Donal
Damn Mooron, I drew my .45 when I read that! You're lucky you're 'up
there'. Scotty, nothing , absolutely nothing like booby. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message ... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message | I could do it with the Mac. So you are stating you sail like Bob??????? CM |
Hey Donal
Capt. Mooron wrote:
I'l try it again as well... I might get it to work on a reach if I continuously adjust and trim the sails.... I'm not holding my breath. Has anyone else managed to sail upwing with a rudder swinging free for more than what would constitute normal momentum over a short period.??? The navigator© wrote: Yes but it requires a flat sea. Not really, but if there is a sea running then it requires both skill & patience. Can you say "dynamic equilibrium"? C'mon, say it with me now. It's really just a fancy word for saying that the boat will swing one way, then the other, but will be able to be steered on a course averaging between the swings. The trickiest part is to keep the boat close to the wind without getting thrown through stays by some combination of gust & wave; or if the circumstances are such that this is going to happen anyway, to coax the boat back onto the desired course. I'm having a hard time imagining circumstances where one could not at least immobilize the rudder, much less rig some type of emergency steering. In one Bermuda Race a few years ago, one boat that lost it's rudder used a bunk lashed to the spinnaker pole as an emergency rudder & tiller. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Hey Donal
DSK wrote: Capt. Mooron wrote: I'l try it again as well... I might get it to work on a reach if I continuously adjust and trim the sails.... I'm not holding my breath. Has anyone else managed to sail upwing with a rudder swinging free for more than what would constitute normal momentum over a short period.??? The navigator© wrote: Yes but it requires a flat sea. Not really, but if there is a sea running then it requires both skill & patience. Can you say "dynamic equilibrium"? C'mon, say it with me now. It's really just a fancy word for saying that the boat will swing one way, then the other, but will be able to be steered on a course averaging between the swings. The trickiest part is to keep the boat close to the wind without getting thrown through stays by some combination of gust & wave; or if the circumstances are such that this is going to happen anyway, to coax the boat back onto the desired course. I'm having a hard time imagining circumstances where one could not at least immobilize the rudder, much less rig some type of emergency steering. In one Bermuda Race a few years ago, one boat that lost it's rudder used a bunk lashed to the spinnaker pole as an emergency rudder & tiller. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Doug, I tried and tried, because the catyawl is supposed to be ideal for this, but the longest I've ever been able to beat with the rudder free and stay on course is a minute or so, then some combination of wave and wind will knock the boat a small but critical amount, the free rudder will swing a bit, and suddenly we're doing donuts. (I don't mind doing donuts while I'm at the tiller, even if I did bust the mainsheet track buffers doing it once.) So I lash tillers whatever. I suspect tht if I totally lost my rudder, it would be a lot easier to sail with sails alone than with a rudder still there but swinging free... -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
Hey Donal
and suddenly
we're doing donuts. Wow, just like Gay Ganzy! RB |
Hey Donal
Bobsprit sweetie, do you know what I'm actually talking about? I
don't know what you might call the manoeuvre under sail over there. CANDChelp wrote: and suddenly we're doing donuts. Wow, just like Gay Ganzy! RB -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
Hey Donal
Bobsprit sweetie, do you know what I'm actually talking about? I
don't know what you might call the manoeuvre under sail over there. It's called, "why would you let go of the tiller, dopey?" RB |
Donuts for Bobsprit--am I trolling?
CANDChelp wrote: Bobsprit sweetie, do you know what I'm actually talking about? I don't know what you might call the manoeuvre under sail over there. It's called, "why would you let go of the tiller, dopey?" RB Pick a good sailing breeze (say, 15-18knots). Helm hard over. Tack. Keep the helm hard over. Jibe. Keep the helm hard over. Tack. (Keep the helm hard over. Jibe. With appropriate sail handling and a fin keeler, if you've done it rightyou should by now be spinning the boat through multiple 360sin close to her own length, not moving anywhere in terms of VMG. It is a test of the boats manoeuvrability and the crew's ability to handle sails. Repeat until someone throws up from vertigo or the watching crowd at the whatever Boat Festival applauds at the skill. finesse and co-ordination it demonstrates. I do it singlehanded. Now, is this a troll, Bobsprit? Or am I describing reality? Let's see how fast you respond. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- Learn what lies below the waves of cyberspace! http://www.internetopera.netfirms.com |
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