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Let's get back onto the subject. Are you saying that all rudders,
regardless of sizem will produce an immediate course change when pushed full
over?

I'm saying that a two second delay will bring about a perceptable change right
away. Two seconds and then the boat turned? Oh, Okay, Donal!!!

RB

immediate course change when pushed full
over?

Uh, dopey....now you're claiming you steered HARD OVER?? Lock to lock? Were you
aware of where the rudder was?

Oh, okay!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

"CANDChelp" wrote in message
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immediate course change when pushed full
over?

Uh, dopey....now you're claiming you steered HARD OVER?? Lock to lock?
Were you
aware of where the rudder was?

That wasn't a claim. It was a question. Do you feel able to answer it?

Regards

Donal
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Were you
aware of where the rudder was?

That wasn't a claim. It was a question. Do you feel able to answer it?

No one can answer your questions. We just learned that you "sailed" the boat
under power 1st!!!! Anything else you want to add? Was the bottom dirty? Was
the keel bent? Was there a white squall? Nope! Just a lot of white lies after
you fouled yourself!!!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Sop you effectively sailed a circle with the helm free and using only the
sails to make progress despite constant adjustment of the set.... and did so
for 45 minutes. My question is how much of that time was spent going to wind
ward, or making point or even if any of that time allowed you to keep a
steady course or compass bearing.

I will admit now that I have not as yet found an adequate sail set or trim
that will keep even my full keeler tracking to a compass bearing upwind with
the tiller free.

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
...
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Yes... I've never seen a fin keeler that would allow the helm to be left
| unlashed or unstopped and make way upwind with the helm free. It won't
| happen... not in a month of Sundays. I could care less what trim you
| claimed
| to have.... it will round up or fall off..... but it will not make
ground
| to
| the waypoint.
|
|
| Yon can steer Setanta by constantly trimming the sails. Last year I
sailed
| her for 45 minutes with the tiller left free. The wind was about 10 kts
and
| dropping. At the end we ended up pointing almost dead downwind, and I
had
| to use the tiller at that point.
|
|
|
| Regards
|
|
| Donal
| --
|
|

Jeff it is of paramount importance here to stress that Bob's claim
specifically states a rudder that is allowed to swing free, unlashed and not
helmed with no auto pilot engaged. There is no way an Irwin 30 could make
way to windward with a tiller running free. I have sailed on one. It can't
be done unless the rudder is locked.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| RB confuses balancing a boat so it will hold a course 10 seconds in a
protected bay, with
| doing it on a full keel boat for hours at a time in the open ocean.
|
| I sailed an Irwin 30 for a season (not the best boat, but it was free) and
it would track
| for limited periods with the wheel locked. Sometimes a few minutes, other
times 10
| seconds. Even my Nonsuch could do it sometimes.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
|
|
| CM
|
| "CANDChelp" wrote in message
| ...
| | On my first keel boat, a full keel design, the boat could be trimmed
to
| sail
| | without
| | lashing the tiller at all, if it was on a beam to close reach.
| |
| | Yup. I was taught how to do that in the J30, which could be a finicky
| boat.
| | Donal needs to learn this.
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|

Yes, I'd have to agree. But, RB sails in a protected sound where flat seas and steady
thermals are common. Its possible in those conditions for a well trimmed boat to hold
course for brief periods. RB would extrapolate a 10 second experience in ideal conditions
to a general claim.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
Jeff it is of paramount importance here to stress that Bob's claim
specifically states a rudder that is allowed to swing free, unlashed and not
helmed with no auto pilot engaged. There is no way an Irwin 30 could make
way to windward with a tiller running free. I have sailed on one. It can't
be done unless the rudder is locked.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| RB confuses balancing a boat so it will hold a course 10 seconds in a
protected bay, with
| doing it on a full keel boat for hours at a time in the open ocean.
|
| I sailed an Irwin 30 for a season (not the best boat, but it was free) and
it would track
| for limited periods with the wheel locked. Sometimes a few minutes, other
times 10
| seconds. Even my Nonsuch could do it sometimes.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
|
|
| CM
|
| "CANDChelp" wrote in message
| ...
| | On my first keel boat, a full keel design, the boat could be trimmed
to
| sail
| | without
| | lashing the tiller at all, if it was on a beam to close reach.
| |
| | Yup. I was taught how to do that in the J30, which could be a finicky
| boat.
| | Donal needs to learn this.
| |
| | RB
|
|
|
|

Not upwind he wouldn't... not unless his rudder is so stiff as to act as a
friction dampener. Not for ten seconds unless you calculate momentum and not
for a minute without a locked helm or a bungee cord.

Like I said... regardless of seastate or wind strength.... it can't be done.

CM

"Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
...
| Yes, I'd have to agree. But, RB sails in a protected sound where flat
seas and steady
| thermals are common. Its possible in those conditions for a well trimmed
boat to hold
| course for brief periods. RB would extrapolate a 10 second experience in
ideal conditions
| to a general claim.
|
|
| "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| ...
| Jeff it is of paramount importance here to stress that Bob's claim
| specifically states a rudder that is allowed to swing free, unlashed and
not
| helmed with no auto pilot engaged. There is no way an Irwin 30 could
make
| way to windward with a tiller running free. I have sailed on one. It
can't
| be done unless the rudder is locked.
|
| CM
|
| "Jeff Morris" jeffmo@NoSpam-sv-lokiDOTcom wrote in message
| ...
| | RB confuses balancing a boat so it will hold a course 10 seconds in a
| protected bay, with
| | doing it on a full keel boat for hours at a time in the open ocean.
| |
| | I sailed an Irwin 30 for a season (not the best boat, but it was free)
and
| it would track
| | for limited periods with the wheel locked. Sometimes a few minutes,
other
| times 10
| | seconds. Even my Nonsuch could do it sometimes.
| |
| |
| | "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
| | ...
| | I call Bull****... it can't be done on any fin keeler!
| |
| |
| | CM
| |
| | "CANDChelp" wrote in message
| | ...
| | | On my first keel boat, a full keel design, the boat could be
trimmed
| to
| | sail
| | | without
| | | lashing the tiller at all, if it was on a beam to close reach.
| | |
| | | Yup. I was taught how to do that in the J30, which could be a
finicky
| | boat.
| | | Donal needs to learn this.
| | |
| | | RB
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|

Not upwind he wouldn't... not unless his rudder is so stiff as to act as a
friction dampener.

Let's let the video be the judge. No point in aguing further until then.

RB