Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the
Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice for
POTUSA

You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Bob in Idaho wrote:

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

I not saying that Nader doesn't have a right to run for President, and
that you and your ilk don't have a right to vote for him. Of course you do.

I'm saying that it's STUPID!

If Nader hadn't run in 2000, 649 American servicemen (and counting)
wouldn't have died in Iraq, thousands more wouldn't have been seriously
wounded, and we wouldn't be stuck in a deadly, no-win quagmire, on the
brink of civil war, abandoned by nearly all of our allies.

BTW, just to be fair, we also wouldn't have found any weapons of mass
destruction. (I'd put a smiley here, but somehow it doesn't seem
appropriate.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be
President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that
I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case
against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates
votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the
fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

O.k., this has gone on long enough. I was hoping that the whole mess would
have blown over by now but, obviously, this is not the case. It's MY fault.
Yes, it's true. You see, I lived in Florida back in 1971. One night (in
June, I think it was) I conceived a brilliant reform plan that would forever
change the face of American politics and make it impossible for a fool of
any size, shape, color, sexual orientation, or political philosophy (however
badly pretended) to be elected to any national office. I'd actually
initiated the plan, which would have required only a few more hours of
careful nurturing before acquiring an unstoppable momentum of its own, when
a couple of buddies suggested we all go out for a couple of drinks. Well, I
was tired and overwrought......I acceded. Um.....one thing led to another
and we all got stinking drunk.....woke up somewhere on South Beach about
three o'clock the next afternoon. The plan faltered......I never could
remember exactly what it was. I accept full responsibility for my actions.
I'm sorry.

Wolfgang
who would like a shot of redemption to go with his catharsis, please.

Could you all please stop cross posting! I don't where this discussion
belongs to , but please, take it off

rec.arts.movies.production.sound

Very much appreciated, thanks, Karl





On 4/10/04 1:10 PM, in article ,
"Wolfgang" wrote:


"Bob in Idaho" wrote in message
.. .
Well since you put it that way, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if ALL
the Democrats in Florida had voted for Gore in 2000, Gore would be
President
today! Another case closed.

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me that
I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

Except in your own mind, you have totally failed to prove your case
against
Nader.

According to your logic, you might as well take a shot at the Reform Party
which garnered 17,484 votes in Florida or the Libertarian Party which
garnered 16,415 votes in Florida. Either of those parties candidates
votes
could also have pushed Gore over the top, well except for one tiny little
factor, the people who voted for those candidates didn't vote for Gore
either! They voted for the candidate of their choice, and it wasn't Al
Gore.

You might as well say that George W. Bush cost Al Gore the election, since
he was able to convince Democrats to vote for him who wouldn't otherwise
have voted for him, if he hadn't run for the office of POTUSA.

Face it fella, until there is a constitutional amendment passed making our
political system a two party system, you'll just have to live with the
fact
that not everyone agrees with the Democrat/Republican Party agendas. It's
politics in America, get used to it.

One question though: If by chance Ralph Nader were to pull out this time
around, which parties candidate are you going to blame if George W. Bush
wins again?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

O.k., this has gone on long enough. I was hoping that the whole mess would
have blown over by now but, obviously, this is not the case. It's MY fault.
Yes, it's true. You see, I lived in Florida back in 1971. One night (in
June, I think it was) I conceived a brilliant reform plan that would forever
change the face of American politics and make it impossible for a fool of
any size, shape, color, sexual orientation, or political philosophy (however
badly pretended) to be elected to any national office. I'd actually
initiated the plan, which would have required only a few more hours of
careful nurturing before acquiring an unstoppable momentum of its own, when
a couple of buddies suggested we all go out for a couple of drinks. Well, I
was tired and overwrought......I acceded. Um.....one thing led to another
and we all got stinking drunk.....woke up somewhere on South Beach about
three o'clock the next afternoon. The plan faltered......I never could
remember exactly what it was. I accept full responsibility for my actions.
I'm sorry.

Wolfgang
who would like a shot of redemption to go with his catharsis, please.

"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC

Well, now we've taken a turn for the worse.

That Mr. Nader decided to run for political office is no more STUPID than
the decision of any other political candidate to do the same. Thus, if it
is not STUPID for Mr. Nader to run for office, it follows that it wouldn't
be STUPID to vote for him anymore than it would be STUPID to vote for ANY
OTHER CANDIDATE.

I certainly hope the sky doesn't fall, the Anti-Christ doesn't rise, or you
don't find a boil on your arse. Heaven knows Mr. Nader wouldn't want to be
blamed for any of that, in addition to the preposterous load that you just
heaped upon him.

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.

I certainly hope you have learned a valuable lesson and will attempt to be a
bit more thoughtful in you future deliberations, be they political or
otherwise.

HTH'd

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

"rw" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:

Your "so-called" argument makes about as much sense as you telling me
that I
should plant only the vegetables that you prefer, in a garden that I am
planting for myself.

I not saying that Nader doesn't have a right to run for President, and
that you and your ilk don't have a right to vote for him. Of course you
do.

I'm saying that it's STUPID!

If Nader hadn't run in 2000, 649 American servicemen (and counting)
wouldn't have died in Iraq, thousands more wouldn't have been seriously
wounded, and we wouldn't be stuck in a deadly, no-win quagmire, on the
brink of civil war, abandoned by nearly all of our allies.

BTW, just to be fair, we also wouldn't have found any weapons of mass
destruction. (I'd put a smiley here, but somehow it doesn't seem
appropriate.)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I have felt about WF lines a time or two in my life, but I much prefer
casting a DT line.

And you?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Mike Connor" wrote in message
...

"Bob in Idaho" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .


So how do you feel about WF lines?

MC

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:41:39 -0400, "Bob in Idaho" wrote:

Well, now we've taken a turn for the worse.

That Mr. Nader decided to run for political office is no more STUPID than
the decision of any other political candidate to do the same. Thus, if it
is not STUPID for Mr. Nader to run for office, it follows that it wouldn't
be STUPID to vote for him anymore than it would be STUPID to vote for ANY
OTHER CANDIDATE.

I certainly hope the sky doesn't fall, the Anti-Christ doesn't rise, or you
don't find a boil on your arse. Heaven knows Mr. Nader wouldn't want to be
blamed for any of that, in addition to the preposterous load that you just
heaped upon him.

My ilk? Hmm, my ilk? Ok, my ilk and I are content that Mr. Nader is in no
way responsible for the War, the inevitable dead and wounded that naturally
follow such sad affairs, the reiterated aforementioned and an untenable
situation for which an Iraqi intifada is likely to occur, and for which we
will lose all hope of future international respect and backing.

I certainly hope you have learned a valuable lesson and will attempt to be a
bit more thoughtful in you future deliberations, be they political or
otherwise.

HTH'd

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader

Meanwhile, somewhere in Texas there's a village that has lost its idiot...

So, what do I receive, punitive or compensatory damages?

Bob C.
Idahoan for Nader
"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Bob in Idaho wrote:
How is it that I am "equivocating," when registered voters of the
Democratic
Party couldn't bring themselves to vote for their own parties choice
for
POTUSA

You are equivocating because there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that if Nader
hadn't run in 2000, then Gore would be President today. Case closed.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

yep. directed verdict for the plaintiff, rw.

wayno (hell, this judge stuff is *easy*)

"daytripper" wrote in message
...


Meanwhile, somewhere in Texas there's a village that has lost its idiot...

Blatant fear-mongering.

Wolfgang
who knows that most villages keep an ample stock of spares.