"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.





"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22ship.html

Additional web sites at:


http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me... =figureheads


http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads


http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads

http://www.nauticalsupplyshop.com/Me...de=figureheads


http://www.nmm.ac.uk/site/request/se.../contentId/219

http://www.seascout.net/pa/pa-25/figureheads.html

http://www.figureheads.co.uk/

CJB

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

Irrelevant, but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...

So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?

I find this amusing because on Sunday I took my 8 year old daughter to a
performance of the Shanghai Circus at Boston's Symphony Hall. My daughter and
her friend giggled a bit when they noticed the nude statues, male and female,
that line the walls, but otherwise paid little attention to them.

Are you claiming that the statues should be clothed? Would you walk out if you
went there for a performance? Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.



"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...

"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should
be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading
your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by
something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US
resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

I guess Dr. Laura has nothing against a bare tit.
http://www.konformist.com/drlaura.htm

"Martin Wefald" schreef in bericht
...

...

I guess Dr. Laura has nothing against a bare tit.

Make it two.
--
Lou van Wijhe

AntiSpam: Om me te mailen, plaats een punt tussen "van" en "wijhe"
AntiSpam: For mailing me put a full stop between "van" and "wijhe"

DSK wrote in message .. .
"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


No Let them bring the A1 sauce.

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?


Heathen, No person should be sold into slavery.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

The nose knows!


4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

They are un-cleanly. Stick to mexicans.


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

No. But suggest that he take a day off, that will do.


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

Yes! Tell me o holy one. Which is more abominal
To swallow a salty oyster. Or to swallow a salty load?


7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


Think moral, not literial.


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

No. Use baptist sizzors and it's OK.



9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Just take a bath a couple of time a week and you should be OK.



10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?

Yes it is. If the whole town feels that it is right to stone him,
then go ahead! Hopefully someone will object!


- Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Feel free! Just put it on the Jerry Springer Show!

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,


God's going to get ya for that one Tougboat!

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?

Not at all, if I don't like it, I can turn away... Just don't need
some arrogant europeon making snide remarks if I choose to turn away.
Is that so hard to understand. Read the comment that brought me into
this thread, I never said I personally had a problem with the tit, you
seem to want not to address that which I have made clear earlier.
Either way, it is a arrogant snob from some probably spineless or
failed country telling me how to run my life and turning a thread
about, well, er, nothing, into a political rant about my president and
my country, heck, the little bitch probably never even been here..
Geeze, get your heads out of your asses, I won't bother with you
anymore.


I find this amusing because on Sunday I took my 8 year old daughter to a
performance of the Shanghai Circus at Boston's Symphony Hall. My daughter and
her friend giggled a bit when they noticed the nude statues, male and female,
that line the walls, but otherwise paid little attention to them.

Are you claiming that the statues should be clothed? Would you walk out if you
went there for a performance? Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.



"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...