Jake wrote:
The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member.
Holland has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that
make him a coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for
Puritanical beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to
do with the war in Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but
emphasize sex. Children are having babies in their early teens
because of this constant influence.

Maybe the lack of available birth control methods and good information for
these youngsters has something to do with it as well. ;-)

Because I always learned when you use birth control you won't get babies :-)


Yet, items from our history that
have substantial meaning and no sexual connotation whatsoever must
now be censored...? Isn't this a bit hypocritical...?


Retoric qusetion ?


Also, wasn't
the US founded on the belief that everyone has their own say?
Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It also allows
for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so
long as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they
believe based upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a
sensationalistic and not factual approach, of course.


Doesn't sound like freedom to me ;-)


Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was
launched and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than
the one needed about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

Hahahaha :-))

- D -

Jake wrote:
The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member.
Holland has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that
make him a coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for
Puritanical beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to
do with the war in Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but
emphasize sex. Children are having babies in their early teens
because of this constant influence.

Maybe the lack of available birth control methods and good information for
these youngsters has something to do with it as well. ;-)

Because I always learned when you use birth control you won't get babies :-)


Yet, items from our history that
have substantial meaning and no sexual connotation whatsoever must
now be censored...? Isn't this a bit hypocritical...?


Retoric qusetion ?


Also, wasn't
the US founded on the belief that everyone has their own say?
Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It also allows
for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so
long as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they
believe based upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a
sensationalistic and not factual approach, of course.


Doesn't sound like freedom to me ;-)


Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was
launched and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than
the one needed about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

Hahahaha :-))

- D -

(Backyard Renegade) wrote in message
As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!
Precious idiots...
--

Oh, get off of your damned soapbox. Truth is, our sons and daughters
are fighting a war for a corrupt buffoon, who's only reasons for war
were to bolster the corporations like Haliburton, get oil reserves,
and vindicate daddy.

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!

Why don't you tell the families of 200 dead Spaniards about your sons'
glorious efforts to make the world a safer place? Do think that you would
have the courage to explain it to one family? A six year old girl was taken
to school by her mother. The mother boarded a train. Six hours later, the
girl was picked up by her father.

Would you have the courage to face that little girl and explain that your
sons and daughters are making the world a safer place? I think that she
would scream and cry - and her father would probably spit on you.

Civil liberties are being eroded across the "free" world as a result of
Bush's inability to differentiate between a religious fanatic (bin Laden),
and a despotic *secular* leader (Saddam).


Regards


Donal
--

Donal wrote:

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message

...

Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!


Why don't you tell the families of 200 dead Spaniards about your sons'
glorious efforts to make the world a safer place? Do think that you would
have the courage to explain it to one family? A six year old girl was taken
to school by her mother. The mother boarded a train. Six hours later, the
girl was picked up by her father.

Would you have the courage to face that little girl and explain that your
sons and daughters are making the world a safer place? I think that she
would scream and cry - and her father would probably spit on you.

Civil liberties are being eroded across the "free" world as a result of
Bush's inability to differentiate between a religious fanatic (bin Laden),
and a despotic *secular* leader (Saddam).


Regards


Donal
--



Geroge W. Bush is the greatest recruiter for terrorism the world has
ever seen.

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!

Why don't you tell the families of 200 dead Spaniards about your sons'
glorious efforts to make the world a safer place? Do think that you would
have the courage to explain it to one family? A six year old girl was taken
to school by her mother. The mother boarded a train. Six hours later, the
girl was picked up by her father.

I lost two friends to this war. One, a proud Marine stationed in
Lebanon in 83?, one on Sept 11, what would you want me to say to them?
I would probably start with, "don't let a few hundred dollars worth of
c4 and a few fanatics break your resolve and change the course and
government of your country cause it will not stop anything. (NOTE, in
hindsight, even though they changed their government to appease the
Islamic fundamentalists, there was recently another attempt in Spain,
and France for that matter...) Is Spain out of danger now that they
have changed their stand on the war on terror? Absolutly not!
Sometimes it takes longer for some to learn that this is not about
that Spanish father, or me, it is about everyone that does not accept
fundamental Islam. Osama said in a speech last year that there was
only two things America had to do to stop the attacks:
1) Leave Isreal to be driven to the sea.
2) As a nation, convert to Islam.
Simple right? Right! Have you ever seen AlQueda's logo? It is a bloody
knife through the earth, the whole earth, not just Isreal and the
United States. Wake up, we are fighting WW3. It's not about you or
me... or a tit.





Would you have the courage to face that little girl and explain that your
sons and daughters are making the world a safer place? I think that she
would scream and cry - and her father would probably spit on you.

Civil liberties are being eroded across the "free" world as a result of
Bush's inability to differentiate between a religious fanatic (bin Laden),
and a despotic *secular* leader (Saddam).


Regards


Donal
--

Scott Vernon wrote:
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red
hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the
ship docked in Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff
had to divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it.
''

???? You must be kidding.

ROTFLMAO

My point was/is, the OP claimed it happened in NYC. He supplied the URL to
the story, which apparently he didn't even read.


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA USA __/)__/)__


"Drebbel" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red
hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the
ship docked in Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff
had to divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it.
''

???? You must be kidding.

ROTFLMAO

The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.



"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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What kid from NYC would be embarassed by a wooden tit? They see hookers on
the streets, porno shops every 3rd block, people being mugged. They see the
likes of Jax! They see much worse than that on TV.

SV

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.



"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22ship.html

Additional web sites at:



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