Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Hate? That's a Republican characteristic. I think she's terrific, and
just the woman I want to see capture the 2012 GOP nomination.

You see Harry, a statement like that tells all.

We have no idea who will be running in 2012. We have no proof of how
well or badly Obama will govern. We have no idea how well or badly a
Democrat controlled Congress is going to perform. We have no idea which
party or person will be best for the situation and conditions in 2012.

With all these unknows, and 4 years away, you are already lined up to
vote Democratic.
Takes a lot of wind out of your sails with regard to your advocacy of a
particular candidate.

Eisboch

Get back to me when the GOP candidates dump "social conservatism" and the
evangelicals. Until they do, I don't consider them fit for high office.
We've just lived through eight years of that nonsense...not again.


So, in other words, your "faith" in the Democratic Party is just that ....
sorta like belief in an organized religion, rather than in individual
ideals.

Ok. I understand now.

Eisboch

Eisboch




Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence
upon evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the
"modern" GOP that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up
in what you are calling "Republican ideals." These include the
destruction of individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion
into privacy, the opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the
opposition to birth control, the excesses of corporations, wall street,
insurance companies, overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on
the military, ignoring our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so
forth, ad nauseum.

Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence upon
evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the "modern" GOP
that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up in what you
are calling "Republican ideals." These include the destruction of
individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion into privacy, the
opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the opposition to birth
control, the excesses of corporations, wall street, insurance companies,
overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on the military, ignoring
our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so forth, ad nauseum.


Thanks. I thought it was good too.

Anyway, you seem to be primarily opposed to Bush and Co. and not necessarily
moderate Republicans that make the majority of the party. Good. I tend to
agree with you.

Neither party is going to have all the elements to it that 100 percent
satisfies everybody.
But, with a little bit of flexibility on your part, you could be a candidate
for conversion.


Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Forget Sarah Palin. She's a non-event. Tell you what ... if the
Republican party nominates her for anything other than moose catcher in
2012, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Nice try. My lack of faith in the GOP at the national level is partially
based upon its adherence to "social conservatism" and its dependence upon
evangelicals. There are innumerable other factors about the "modern" GOP
that are turn offs for me, and some of those are wrapped up in what you
are calling "Republican ideals." These include the destruction of
individual liberties the last eight years, the intrusion into privacy, the
opposition to abortion, the opposition to science, the opposition to birth
control, the excesses of corporations, wall street, insurance companies,
overly aggressive foreign policies, overspending on the military, ignoring
our crumbling infrastructure, and so on and so forth, ad nauseum.


Thanks. I thought it was good too.

Anyway, you seem to be primarily opposed to Bush and Co. and not necessarily
moderate Republicans that make the majority of the party. Good. I tend to
agree with you.

Neither party is going to have all the elements to it that 100 percent
satisfies everybody.
But, with a little bit of flexibility on your part, you could be a candidate
for conversion.


Oh yeah...the Republican governors consider Sarah Palin a leader of the
party. I would have categorized her as a national embarrassment.

Forget Sarah Palin. She's a non-event. Tell you what ... if the
Republican party nominates her for anything other than moose catcher in
2012, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Eisboch




Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch




The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the state
by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern emerge
of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter, evangelicals.
Hardly moderates.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch



The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the state
by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern emerge
of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter, evangelicals.
Hardly moderates.

More racist bigoted remarks from krause. That's a doozie. I'll have to
save this comment for later.

Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Why?

You are already deeply rooted in your religion.

Eisboch



The real answer, of course, is that there is no proof that "moderates"
make up the majority of the GOP. In fact, if you look through the
state by state returns from the last election, you'll see the pattern
emerge of who most Republican voters are...mainly older, whiter,
evangelicals. Hardly moderates.

More racist bigoted remarks from krause. That's a doozie. I'll have to
save this comment for later.


D'oh...there have been several national surveys of those who voted last
week, and you know what? My description is spot-on. Nothing racist in my
remark. Nothing bigoted, either. Just reality.

Hey...aren't you an older, whiter, evangelical? Didn't you vote for
McCain-Palin?

Case closed.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.

wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.


Hey, I was reared in a moderate Republican household. My mother was
"political," and active in the Connecticut GOP. My father was
apolitical. At a young age, I was dragged to political meetings, and
when I was 16, I worked as a campaign volunteer for U.S. Senator
Prescott Bush, Dubya's patrician grandfather. Of course, the
Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York Republicans of those days were
not embarrassing. :)

I too would like to see a rebirth of the GOP as a moderate party and
political force, sans the evangelicals. A moderate and careful foreign
policy, fiscal responsibility, preservation and promotion of individual
liberties (including, dammit, "choice,") were all hallmarks of the GOP
of my youth in New England.

A far-right wing GOP? Foch 'em.

wrote in message
t...
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:55:53 -0500, Boater wrote:


Convince me that "moderates" make up the majority of the Republican
Party.

Before this last election, there were quite a few moderate Republicans.
Unfortunately, many of them lost. The end result is the Republican Party
is now further to the right. You will probably disagree with me on this,
but I'm hoping for a strong moderate Republican rebirth. A two party
system needs two strong parties. It helps keep corruption at bay, and
the bashing about of competing ideas is an overall plus.

The religious fundies, however, can pound sand.


I was about to respond to Harry, but you said it better.
This election was not typical. Too many extreme factors ... disgust with
Bush, the War and then the economic meltdown starting September 15th. Add
to them the Palin factor and it was over.

I agree that many moderate Republicans voted for Obama this time around. I
also believe that once the GOP gets reorganized, it will make a strong
comeback in future elections.

Eisboch