On Nov 13, 8:54*pm, BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler
and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a
while. Here's a quoted passage from the article:

"If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it
would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been
persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be
staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy."

Here's what I don't understand.

To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American
workforce is Union. *Obviously the number of union auto workers is a
much smaller percentage.

So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the
jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce?

What about the millions of people working in non-union small
businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much
as the auto industry's union workers. * Are they going to get a
dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work
for in business?

Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs
typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job. *
Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration?

Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan?

Eisboch

Whoooooooosh.

Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and
listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Union protection is just glorified welfare for those who don't want to
work. of people like Harry who wouldn't know how. Working for a union,
on the working end of the table, I saw it all the time. The union
going to bat for lazy bitches who wreren't worth 2 dollars an hour.
And before our resident asshole says anything, I was the smallest guy
in the shop of over 350 men, and never had a week where I was not in
the top ten percent of production. BTW, the union hated guys like me,
used to come to some of us and "ask" us to slow down to spare the bums
having to do a days work, for a days pay...

wrote:
On Nov 13, 8:54 pm, BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
So now Obama has recommended emergency loans to GM, Ford and Chysler
and is also pushing for a $50B bailout package to tide them over for a
while. Here's a quoted passage from the article:
"If the plan were to offer no strong guarantees against layoffs it
would likely draw fire from unions. But Obama advisers have been
persuaded that the impact on current workers and retirees would be
staggering if the companies went into bankruptcy."
Here's what I don't understand.
To the best of my knowledge, only 12 percent of the total American
workforce is Union. Obviously the number of union auto workers is a
much smaller percentage.
So, Obama thinks that the taxpayers should cough up $50B to save the
jobs of a relatively small percentage of the workforce?
What about the millions of people working in non-union small
businesses? They are being affected by the economic slowdown as much
as the auto industry's union workers. Are they going to get a
dedicated and specific bailout as well to keep the companies they work
for in business?
Those unfortunate enough to get laid off due to work slow downs
typically apply for unemployment benefits and try to find a new job.
Why do the employees of GM, Ford and Chrysler deserve more consideration?
Is this part of the "share the wealth" plan?
Eisboch
Whoooooooosh.
Unions, a just a powerful special interest group. Better funded than and
listened to more often than most of the K street lobbying firms.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Union protection is just glorified welfare for those who don't want to
work. of people like Harry who wouldn't know how. Working for a union,
on the working end of the table, I saw it all the time. The union
going to bat for lazy bitches who wreren't worth 2 dollars an hour.
And before our resident asshole says anything, I was the smallest guy
in the shop of over 350 men, and never had a week where I was not in
the top ten percent of production. BTW, the union hated guys like me,
used to come to some of us and "ask" us to slow down to spare the bums
having to do a days work, for a days pay...

Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and
come to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.

"BAR" wrote in message
...

Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come
to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.


Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message.
You're being phased out.

Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older group
tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves. What they
don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching and sharing
that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their value's worth
and benefit many, many times.


Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
...

Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come
to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.


Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message.
You're being phased out.

Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older
group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves.
What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching
and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their
value's worth and benefit many, many times.


Eisboch


Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit
by a bus?
You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed.

Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come
to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.

Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message.
You're being phased out.

Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older
group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves.
What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching
and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their
value's worth and benefit many, many times.


Eisboch


Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit
by a bus?
You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed.

Everything I do is documented and placed in a "public location."

But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are
more easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't
have 25 years of experience in my field.

"BAR" wrote in message
...


But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more
easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25
years of experience in my field.

So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking?
How did you become experienced in creative thinking?

I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by
developing depth.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more
easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25
years of experience in my field.

So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking?
How did you become experienced in creative thinking?

I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by
developing depth.

Sometimes the pressure, from above, to get it done doesn't allow for the
25 year old think or be "guided" through the process towards resolution.
Telling the boss to back off and let me teach when the customer is
breathing down his neck isn't received well.

Eisboch wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...

But, sometimes issues come up that need some creative thinking or are more
easily solved based upon experience. A guy 25 years old doesn't have 25
years of experience in my field.

So how does the 25 year old get experience in creative thinking?
How did you become experienced in creative thinking?

I know .... it's hard, but the results and rewards are much greater by
developing depth.

Eisboch




BAR exhibits no creative thinking here.

Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come
to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.

Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message.
You're being phased out.

Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older
group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves.
What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching
and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their
value's worth and benefit many, many times.


Eisboch


Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit
by a bus?
You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed.


You always used to say that? What a hoot it must have been to work with you.

Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Even now at my advanced age and seniority in the company, my boss has to
tell me to slow down take some time off, stop working so hard. Pass some
work off to the younger guys, let them work through the problems and come
to you if they need help. I can't help myself. I am a producer.

Heh. Maybe, but you haven't understood the message.
You're being phased out.

Your boss is right. Too many people, some young, but mostly the older
group tend to "protect" their value by keeping knowledge to themselves.
What they don't realize is that they can be much more valuable by teaching
and sharing that knowledge to a group of people, thereby multipying their
value's worth and benefit many, many times.


Eisboch


Like we always used to say at work......what would happen if so & so was hit
by a bus?
You should have someone below you ready to step up if needed.



That's deep. Now go take your nap. You earned it!