Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)




I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)


I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice in
any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned out
an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass staircase. The
tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as close to perfect
as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what the job needed was
someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some footpegs and someone with
FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass on
site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice in
any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned out
an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass staircase. The
tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as close to perfect
as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what the job needed was
someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some footpegs and someone with
FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass on
site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch




The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking
garage with special equipment typically used at facilities that
fabricate for the aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union
factory. I took a few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for
the staircase was...astonishing. :)

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...


I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.



Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.


Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch



It doesn't take much to impress Harry. He should go visit Disney World
if he wants to see some pretty neat stuff.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 2:46*pm, Jim wrote:
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

I take it you mean to ask why he won't shout negatively about the
unions?

It's because he's been sucking from their nipple for years, so no need
to bite the teat that feeds

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

wrote:
On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, Jim wrote:
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

I take it you mean to ask why he won't shout negatively about the
unions?

It's because he's been sucking from their nipple for years, so no need
to bite the teat that feeds

I was hoping he would debunk the claims made on the web site. It's scary
to think that this kind of thuggery is still going on.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 4:26*pm, Boater wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Pfffttt. your fat little ass crack could not hold a candle to me in
any construction of manufacturing area..

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...


Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number 2 on
the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U" stamp
or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders were
certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp certified
welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the entire
structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union welder in another
shop. The finished piece was received and, as required by the contract, sent
out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The union shop
attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July. Time
was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union shop to
witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the subsystem.
One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing back up) but it
turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger than the shop's union
welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent three days welding up the
assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 5:35*pm, wrote:
On Nov 12, 2:46*pm, Jim wrote:

There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

I take it you mean to ask why he won't shout negatively about the
unions?

It's because he's been sucking from their nipple for years, so no need
to bite the teat that feeds

If it weren't for unions, lazy fat slobs like him would actually have
to work for a living, or go on welfare...

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 5:58*pm, Jim wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, Jim wrote:
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

I take it you mean to ask why he won't shout negatively about the
unions?

It's because he's been sucking from their nipple for years, so no need
to bite the teat that feeds

I was hoping he would debunk the claims made on the web site. It's scary
to think that this kind of thuggery is still going on.

Why listen to Harry, you know he will only lie. Those of us who have
actually been on the working side of the union have seen this first
hand. The side of the Union Harry worked for, generally are in the
pocket of the management.. Deep in the pockets, and well paid for it.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.


Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch




Butt welded? Hehehe. Nope.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

wrote:
On Nov 12, 4:26 pm, Boater wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.
http://www.unionfacts.com/
Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the terms
of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the full
members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)
I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Pfffttt. your fat little ass crack could not hold a candle to me in
any construction of manufacturing area..


Yeah, right. That's why you couldn't figure out how to weld pegs onto a
motorcycle and didn't know what sort of welding was needed.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.


This particular "bit" of welding was the same sort I've seen in the
gas/chemical plumbing runs for chemical labs, and I don't mean the
plumbing runs for sinks or toilets. When I finish the articles I'm
writing, I'll send you a copy.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 6:49*pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? * I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch

BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.

This particular "bit" of welding was the same sort I've seen in the
gas/chemical plumbing runs for chemical labs, and I don't mean the
plumbing runs for sinks or toilets. When I finish the articles I'm
writing, I'll send you a copy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, but if you actually wrote it, who do you think is going to trust
it? You have zero credibility here in this group. Don't you get it?

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

I fail to see the connection between union member/worker and quality
work. The two are usually mutually exclusive.
JR


Boater wrote:
Don White wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...

There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?


Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages
the full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the
local)



I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Nov 12, 6:21*pm, JR North wrote:
I fail to see the connection between union member/worker and quality
work. The two are usually mutually exclusive.
JR



Boater wrote:
Don White wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message
...

There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages
the full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the
local)

I doubt FloridaJim or his buddy JustWait could qualify as an apprentice
in any of the skilled unions.

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

--
--------------------------------------------------------------
* * * * Home Page:http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

Quite

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.


Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch




If it's true, he got one thing right - the price tag. Union jobs always
cost more - with the same results if you're lucky.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?

Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union tried to
fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going amuck at no risk
to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved the company a bundle in
repairs by noticing it in time. The union's grudge was that it "wasn't your
job!". Idiots, the health of the company is health in being able to pay me
so why would I not? Seemed to me unions were suicidal and self destructive
there after. Anyway, management said no, and kept me on.

I refuse to work union, forget about signing silly cards.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Canuck57 wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages the
full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in the local)

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union tried to
fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going amuck at no risk
to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved the company a bundle in
repairs by noticing it in time. The union's grudge was that it "wasn't your
job!".


Bull****.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number 2 on
the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U" stamp
or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders were
certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp certified
welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the entire
structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union welder in another
shop. The finished piece was received and, as required by the contract, sent
out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The union shop
attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July. Time
was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union shop to
witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the subsystem.
One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing back up) but it
turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger than the shop's union
welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent three days welding up the
assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

You need to talk to my wife about welding and porosity of materials. She
eats, sleeps and dreams that stuff.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent
and fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of
curved glass on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to
non-union, which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality
welding. The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had
some of the most vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number
2 on the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U"
stamp or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders
were certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp
certified welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the
entire structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union welder
in another shop. The finished piece was received and, as required by
the contract, sent out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The union
shop attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July.
Time was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union
shop to witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the
subsystem. One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing
back up) but it turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger than
the shop's union welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent three
days welding up the assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

You need to talk to my wife about welding and porosity of materials. She
eats, sleeps and dreams that stuff.


Mrs. Bertie the Plumber?

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent
and fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of
curved glass on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch



BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators
are inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to
non-union, which is the case you keep trying to present.

I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality
welding. The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had
some of the most vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
They had to be leak tight to atoms of helium, drawn through voids or
inclusions or diffused through the welds by vacuum. Helium is number
2 on the periodic chart, meaning the atoms are very, very small.

Anyway, once in a while we would have a contract that required a "U"
stamp or in a couple of rare cases, a "N" stamp, meaning our welders
were certified for nuclear work. We didn't have any "N" stamp
certified welders. One project required it for a subsection (not the
entire structure), so we subcontracted to a "N" certified union
welder in another shop. The finished piece was received and, as
required by the contract, sent out for x-ray. It flunked.

So, we subcontracted another one. Same thing. It flunked. The
union shop attempted to repair it without success ... flunked x-ray
again.

Meanwhile, there are excuses flying around like mosquitoes in July.
Time was ticking and it was costing money.

We then had one of our very good, non-union welders go to the union
shop to witness the welding process on the forth attempt to build the
subsystem. One thing led to another (old history, not worth bringing
back up) but it turns out that our welder was quite a bit bigger
than the shop's union welder. Our guy grabbed the torch and spent
three days welding up the assembly.

Shipped it out for x-ray.... passed with no problems.

You need to talk to my wife about welding and porosity of materials.
She eats, sleeps and dreams that stuff.


Mrs. Bertie the Plumber?

Mrs. Bertie the Rocket Scientist. Welding expert, battery expert, and
analytical chemist. My biggest problem is getting her to go back to work
full time.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Boater wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under the
terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any advantages
the full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for office in
the local)

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union
tried to fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going
amuck at no risk to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved
the company a bundle in repairs by noticing it in time. The union's
grudge was that it "wasn't your job!".


Bull****.

Prove it.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
There are some pretty serious allegations on this web site.

http://www.unionfacts.com/


Cat got your tongue Harry?
Where I worked...no one was forced to sign a card, although under
the terms of employment they paid union dues and enjoyed any
advantages the full members enjoyed. ( except they couldn't run for
office in the local)

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union
tried to fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going
amuck at no risk to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved
the company a bundle in repairs by noticing it in time. The union's
grudge was that it "wasn't your job!".


Bull****.

Prove it.


I've heard that same story a million times...the "wasn't your job" to
save the whatever b.s.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Boater" wrote in message
...


I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were
as close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously,
what the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.



Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

Eisboch


The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking
garage with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate
for the aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I
took a few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the
staircase was...astonishing. :)




"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin'
way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with
the proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Eisboch




Yes, yes, of course he's full of ****. About the only thing that's
fabricated "onsite" is baserock recycled from demoed concrete. Aerospace
type fabrication in a parking garage, my ass.

I just had some bent glass delivered to my job on Monday aamaof. Perfect
fit, and flawless installation, and non-union shops to boot..

Some of the worst tradesman I've seen were union workers! Sure, they go thru
some sort of training, but then they're "protected" by the union and many
wind up being useless. They wouldn't last a week in a non-union shop (like
mine).

--Mike

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...

Canuck57 wrote:

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union tried
to fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going amuck at
no risk to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved the company
a bundle in repairs by noticing it in time. The union's grudge was that
it "wasn't your job!".


Bull****.


Harry, I've been witness to the same type of thing many times. Due to the
somewhat unconventional nature of the business I was in, some of the
confrontations with union facilities were humorous, but in the end,
unnessessarily costly. I learned early on to add additional manhours to our
costs, particularly for installations of systems, if the customer had a
union shop. It just took much longer to accomplish.

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...

Jim wrote:

Prove it.


I've heard that same story a million times...the "wasn't your job" to save
the whatever b.s.

You may have heard it a million times, but you obviously haven't been in a
position to experience it.
I have. Many times. A union electrician almost shut down a major, DOE,
DOD funded project at the University of Rochester because he didn't
understand the technology involved in a system design and reported it to the
local union and city electrical inspectors.

I was directly involved and participated in putting on a little "show" with
help from the Director of the Lab in order to prevent a major administrative
problem. It was interesting, to say the least.


Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...

Boater wrote:


Mrs. Bertie the Plumber?



Mrs. Bertie the Rocket Scientist. Welding expert, battery expert, and
analytical chemist. My biggest problem is getting her to go back to work
full time.


"That's" funny! Good one.

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:08:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...


I was on a condo construction site last week where a union crew turned
out an incredible three story winding stainless steel and glass
staircase. The tube bending and welds and panels of curved glass were as
close to perfect as any I've seen in my working life. Obviously, what
the job needed was someone with Justwait's skill to tack on some
footpegs and someone with FloridaJim's skill to sweep the floor.

Wait a hold-it Harry,

Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved glass
on site? I don't believe it.

Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?

The staircase was built on site in a closed off area of the parking garage
with special equipment typically used at facilities that fabricate for the
aerospace industry; the glass was produced at a union factory. I took a
few photos, which I might post later. The pricetag for the staircase
was...astonishing. :)

"Special equipment used by facilities that fabricate for the aerospace
industry"?

I call Bull ****. Either that Harry, or some PR dude was handing you a
line.

To fabricate what you are talking about would require hydraulic tubing
benders, mandrels, etc. .... nothing very exotic. Normally they would
simply be made in ship-able sizes/lengths and then butt welded together on
site.

But how did they finish them? Were they passivated? Electropolished?
Were those tanks set up in the parking lot? In Boston? No friggin' way.

What you are talking about is pretty routine work for any fab shop with the
proper equipment.

The glass is something else.

Here's the deal guys. Harry is in the union marketing business. He's
essentially a marketer for union labor.

That's what he does for a living. Kind of like Amway sales in a way.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...



Butt welded? Hehehe. Nope.


Harry, you crack me up. Like your politics, you seem to think that only
what you believe or have personal experience in is the "only" way to do
things.

Yes. Butt welded.

A welding technique commonly used to join two sections of tubing or
manifolding.
Used in simple structural assemblies as well as chemical, gas, vacuum and
nuclear manifolding.

The ends of the sections to be joined are weld prepped, grinding the edges
at angles, then TIG welded at 100 percent root penetration. The weld seams
can then be ground and polished for cosmetic purposes to create the
appearance of a continuous section of piping. What's the big deal? It's
basic welding.

Eisboch

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Boater" wrote in message
...

Canuck57 wrote:

I learned early that being in the union wasn't for me. The union tried
to fire me once. All I did was shut down machinery that going amuck at
no risk to anyone and no skin off my ass. Turns out I saved the company
a bundle in repairs by noticing it in time. The union's grudge was that
it "wasn't your job!".


Bull****.


Harry, I've been witness to the same type of thing many times. Due to the
somewhat unconventional nature of the business I was in, some of the
confrontations with union facilities were humorous, but in the end,
unnessessarily costly. I learned early on to add additional manhours to
our costs, particularly for installations of systems, if the customer had
a union shop. It just took much longer to accomplish.

Eisboch


Just talk to exhibitors that have had experiences putting on displays for
conventions in Chicago's McCormick Place. Aside from exhorbinent union
labor rates exhibitors they were robbed blind of their products.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Butt welded? Hehehe. Nope.


Harry, you crack me up. Like your politics, you seem to think that only
what you believe or have personal experience in is the "only" way to do
things.

Yes. Butt welded.

A welding technique commonly used to join two sections of tubing or
manifolding.
Used in simple structural assemblies as well as chemical, gas, vacuum and
nuclear manifolding.

The ends of the sections to be joined are weld prepped, grinding the edges
at angles, then TIG welded at 100 percent root penetration. The weld seams
can then be ground and polished for cosmetic purposes to create the
appearance of a continuous section of piping. What's the big deal? It's
basic welding.

Eisboch



Simple and basic only because you have had the pleasure of associating
with non union welders who take pride in their workmanship. Welders who
know that every payday depends on his earning his pay, not just showing
up to punch the clock.
Unions are responsible for obstructing America's ability to be
competitive in the world marketplace.

I rank unions right up there with liberals, democrats, and lazy slugs
like Harry.

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

They wouldn't last a week in a non-union shop (like mine).

What a man.....

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

I rank unions right up there with liberals, democrats, and lazy
slugs like Harry.

Your jealous, because you were too stupid to be hired by the
Union......

And now you're stuck in your dead-end , under-paying occupation. Poor
poo-poo..

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Why won't Harry shout out about the unions?
 

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 12, 6:49 pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Are you trying to convince us that your union construction crew
bent and
fabricated the SS tubes, and formed the "perfect" panels of curved
glass
on site? I don't believe it.
Or did they simply install them, supplied by a manufacturer?
Eisboch
BTW Harry, I am in no way inferring that union welders/fabricators are
inferior to non-union.
I am simply stating that they are not necessessary superior to
non-union,
which is the case you keep trying to present.
I have quite a bit of experience with requirements for high quality
welding.
The stainless steel or aluminum vacuum systems we built had some of
the most
vigorous welding requirements in the trade.
This particular "bit" of welding was the same sort I've seen in the
gas/chemical plumbing runs for chemical labs, and I don't mean the
plumbing runs for sinks or toilets. When I finish the articles I'm
writing, I'll send you a copy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, but if you actually wrote it, who do you think is going to trust
it? You have zero credibility here in this group. Don't you get it?



Yeah, as if I really care what you and the other FLEEGs "think."

Yeah you do. Why else would you be making up these fantastic, amazing
stories about yourself and your stuff?