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I don't think Palin has the intellectual capacity or curiosity or judgment
for high federal office.

Obama has all of that in spades. Palin does nicely with a teleprompter and
she obviously is "The Personality Kid," but, hopefully, most voting
Americans will want a bit more in their president than winks and
shout-outs.



Spent most of the morning half watching, half listening to Obama giving his
stump speech again this morning while I worked on some other stuff.

He's a gifted speaker, that's for sure, capable of whipping up the emotions
of an audience to a fever pitch.
But again, as before, I miss the logic (if there is any) of his statements
and long list of promises.

How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class" when
40 percent don't pay any to begin with? How do you justify calling a
yearly government check of approximately $3k to people who didn't pay any
taxes as "tax rebates" and not welfare checks?

How do end the war in Iraq by telling the Iraqi government that they have to
assume responsibility for themselves? Bush has been trying that for over
four years without success.

He is a scary guy to listen to sometimes. He's going to "transform America
and it's government" as he often states. I don't want America to be
transformed. I want solid, honest representation and leadership.

My concern is that Obama says whatever he needs to say to get the votes and
does so in a dishonest way, appealing to the emotional sensitivities of a
frustrated citizenship. There is one thing for sure. He will go down in
history as a failed president (if elected) because there is no way he can
deliver on all he has promised.

Eisboch

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?


I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?


I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

I should have posted the link.

http://mediamatters.org/static/image...s-20081016.gif

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:58:16 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?


I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

I should have posted the link.

http://mediamatters.org/static/image...s-20081016.gif

It doesn't address sales tax that hits the poorest the hardest. Good link
just the same.

On Oct 31, 12:51*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?

I keep hearing this myth. **All* working Americans pay taxes. *While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

Most people, when talking about paying taxes, are talking only about
federal income taxes. In that case it's not a myth, it's true.

You're quoting effective rates including FICA, and that's why the rate
turns into a positive number for the lower quintiles. However, you're
leaving out the fact that EIC effectively rebates the FICA payments
(and is tied to it), so including that we're back to people getting
more money back than they actually pay in.

Hence the truism that many people pay no taxes.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?

I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)


It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)


It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

JimH wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.
We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)

It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

The country discussed was Costa Rica, moron.

On Oct 31, 9:51*pm, DK wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. **All* working Americans pay taxes. *While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.
We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. *The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. *Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica. *

Um...on second thought... * :)

It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

The country discussed was Costa Rica, moron.

No **** Einstein!