On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?

I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)


It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)


It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
I don't think Palin has the intellectual capacity or curiosity or
judgment for high federal office.

Obama has all of that in spades. Palin does nicely with a
teleprompter and she obviously is "The Personality Kid," but,
hopefully, most voting Americans will want a bit more in their
president than winks and shout-outs.



Spent most of the morning half watching, half listening to Obama
giving his stump speech again this morning while I worked on some
other stuff.

He's a gifted speaker, that's for sure, capable of whipping up the
emotions of an audience to a fever pitch.
But again, as before, I miss the logic (if there is any) of his
statements and long list of promises.

How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working
class" when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with? How do you
justify calling a yearly government check of approximately $3k to
people who didn't pay any taxes as "tax rebates" and not welfare checks?

How do end the war in Iraq by telling the Iraqi government that they
have to assume responsibility for themselves? Bush has been trying
that for over four years without success.

He is a scary guy to listen to sometimes. He's going to "transform
America and it's government" as he often states. I don't want
America to be transformed. I want solid, honest representation and
leadership.

My concern is that Obama says whatever he needs to say to get the
votes and does so in a dishonest way, appealing to the emotional
sensitivities of a frustrated citizenship. There is one thing for
sure. He will go down in history as a failed president (if elected)
because there is no way he can deliver on all he has promised.

Eisboch



If Obama is elected, he will do what is possible in light of the
horrific circumstances in which Bush will leave this country and the
federal government. He's already stated several times that many of the
changes he'd like to make will have to be phased in gradually.

BTW, everyone who is working pays taxes of some sort, assuming they are
working on the clock.

*I* want America transformed into a country that is concerned with
building up and maintaining a middle class society that encompasses most
of its citizens. I want everyone in this country to have access to
decent health care without having to jump through hoops. I want our
roads, bridges, airports, power plants and water treatment facilities
improved, I want significant federal seed investment in alternative
means of energy production, I want GITMO closed the day after OBama, if
elected, takes office, I want normalized relations with Cuba, and I want
our foreign policy conducted by intelligent men and women, not hipshooters.

I don't give a crap if those whose net income is $250,000 or more a
year have to pay tax at the rates of the Clinton era.

"if elected," your tone is getting less and less hopeful.

JimH wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.
We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)

It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

The country discussed was Costa Rica, moron.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

Only the ones that can't afford to live here. ;-)

--Mike

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working
class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While
the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%,
they
still pay taxes.

We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.

Um...on second thought... :)


It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

Mike wrote:
Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

Only the ones that can't afford to live here. ;-)

What's not to love about California?

Mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, perennial drought. Sounds like a
great place, I sure am glad we left.

On Oct 31, 9:51*pm, DK wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. **All* working Americans pay taxes. *While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.
We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.

Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.

Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. *The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. *Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.

And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.

Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica. *

Um...on second thought... * :)

It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.

Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

The country discussed was Costa Rica, moron.

No **** Einstein!

Mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, perennial drought. Sounds like a
great place, I sure am glad we left.

Ya gotta take the good with the bad I guess. ;-) I'm glad to hear that no
other states in the union have most those problems. g

--Mike

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.

Only the ones that can't afford to live here. ;-)

What's not to love about California?

Mudslides, wildfires, earthquakes, perennial drought. Sounds like a great
place, I sure am glad we left.

JimH wrote:
On Oct 31, 9:51 pm, DK wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:38 -0400, Boater
wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:51:12 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:28:20 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
How do you reduce taxes for 95 percent of the so called "working class"
when 40 percent don't pay any to begin with?
I keep hearing this myth. *All* working Americans pay taxes. While the
lowest quintile is only 4.3%, and the second quintile is only 9.9%, they
still pay taxes.
We need to correct something here - we're talking about income taxes.
Not FICA or any of the other taxes which everybody pays - income
taxes.
Besides - it doesn't matter anyway. The Obamabots (meaning his
surrogates) can't seem to get their messages straight. Obama said
$250,000 then amended to $200,000 which Biden amended to $150,000
which Bill Richardson amended to $120,000 and pretty soon I expect
Barney and Nancy to amend that to $100,000 and Reid to put it at
$80,000.
And let's not forget Barney's "increase by 25%" comment.
Know what - I may join Harry in Costa Rica.
Um...on second thought... :)
It's a small country, but...you can take the east coast...I'll take the
west.
Most Americans would be happy to see the west coast separate from the
US and form their own nation.....no loss for normal red blooded
Americans.
The country discussed was Costa Rica, moron.

No **** Einstein!

Really? So why couldn't you follow the thread?