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On Oct 21, 12:50*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:08:09 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . If I were to trade in my 4Runner for a new one, I'd go back to manual, even if I had to buy a different breed. I like being able to shift when I want to. I don't like the auto dropping into another gear any time it starts climbing a hill, while towing. Using the cruise control, with an automatic, while towing is a waste. The damn thing is shifting continuously, so cruise control can't be used. Yup, manual is the way to go. Does the 4Runner have a "tow/haul" mode? Virtually all the US manufactured trucks have it, including even the little Ranger I had. The auto transmission in tow/haul mode will do a much better job of selecting the proper gear for the load than a manual transmission. *Plus, you have the benefit of the torque converter which will unlock under load. An added benefit, is that they change the gear shift points, reducing the potential of lugging the engine and causing serious damage. *Finally, they also provide downshifts to provide engine braking while towing, saving your brakes. A properly equipped truck with an auto is much better .... in fact the tow ratings are higher with an auto. Eisboch There is no 'tow/haul' mode that I know of. The book suggests towing in 4th rather than overdrive. What I'm towing is not that heavy (3500lbs) that the V8 shouldn't be able to pull it in overdrive on the interstate. It's not like there are any mountains between here and Chesapeake Bay or Virginia Beach. I'm comparing this to my GMC, a manual, which seemed to tow better. Maybe I should just leave it in 4th and forgetaboutit. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" *[A Narcissistic Hypocrite]- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My Jeep was like that, and I did exactly as you suggest, on the interstate, I'd use the overdrive, suburban type of driving I wouldn't. Worked fine. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:36:57 GMT, JohnH wrote:
I don't like the auto dropping into another gear any time it starts climbing a hill, while towing. The secret is to lock out overdrive. There's usually a button on the shifter to do that. It's better for the transmission and much smoother to drive. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... If I were to trade in my 4Runner for a new one, I'd go back to manual, even if I had to buy a different breed. I like being able to shift when I want to. I don't like the auto dropping into another gear any time it starts climbing a hill, while towing. Using the cruise control, with an automatic, while towing is a waste. The damn thing is shifting continuously, so cruise control can't be used. Yup, manual is the way to go. Does the 4Runner have a "tow/haul" mode? Virtually all the US manufactured trucks have it, including even the little Ranger I had. The auto transmission in tow/haul mode will do a much better job of selecting the proper gear for the load than a manual transmission. Plus, you have the benefit of the torque converter which will unlock under load. An added benefit, is that they change the gear shift points, reducing the potential of lugging the engine and causing serious damage. Finally, they also provide downshifts to provide engine braking while towing, saving your brakes. A properly equipped truck with an auto is much better .... in fact the tow ratings are higher with an auto. Eisboch We just recently discussed this very topic. One of my vehicles has a highly touted 6 speed computer controlled automatic transmission. I too don't like the way it shifts while in cruise control in hilly terrain, so I don't use it under those conditions. Otherwise I am happy letting the transmission decide when to shift. I don't have the tow haul mode but I do have selectable grade braking which is computer controlled. I'd be curious to know what professional drivers think about these modern transmissions. |
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On Oct 21, 1:12 pm, jim wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . If I were to trade in my 4Runner for a new one, I'd go back to manual, even if I had to buy a different breed. I like being able to shift when I want to. I don't like the auto dropping into another gear any time it starts climbing a hill, while towing. Using the cruise control, with an automatic, while towing is a waste. The damn thing is shifting continuously, so cruise control can't be used. Yup, manual is the way to go. Does the 4Runner have a "tow/haul" mode? Virtually all the US manufactured trucks have it, including even the little Ranger I had. The auto transmission in tow/haul mode will do a much better job of selecting the proper gear for the load than a manual transmission. Plus, you have the benefit of the torque converter which will unlock under load. An added benefit, is that they change the gear shift points, reducing the potential of lugging the engine and causing serious damage. Finally, they also provide downshifts to provide engine braking while towing, saving your brakes. A properly equipped truck with an auto is much better .... in fact the tow ratings are higher with an auto. Eisboch We just recently discussed this very topic. One of my vehicles has a highly touted 6 speed computer controlled automatic transmission. I too don't like the way it shifts while in cruise control in hilly terrain, so I don't use it under those conditions. Otherwise I am happy letting the transmission decide when to shift. I don't have the tow haul mode but I do have selectable grade braking which is computer controlled. I'd be curious to know what professional drivers think about these modern transmissions. Hmm, am glad I brought this up. I was looking for a standard tranny but will go with auto now. |
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wrote in message ... On Oct 21, 10:45 am, wrote: On Oct 21, 10:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... On Oct 21, 4:04 am, "Eisboch" wrote: It is said that you should do what you enjoy in terms of a business. Now that I have the time, I am going to try this. Music and the audio gear to reproduce it has always been a hobby of sorts and I enjoy it. Anyway, I needed a heavier duty truck to haul this stuff around in an enclosed trailer. The Ranger was too small. Eisboch My brother once owned an electronics repair shop, and on the side built custom sound equipment for bands. He was getting quite a reputation and bigger bands were wanting his equipment. I think it got to be too much for him. He always liked the simple life. ----------------------------- I visited the warehouse of a local equipment rental place yesterday. It's where I bought the Hammond C3. The company rents equipment for touring professional bands, wedding receptions and private parties. The owner gave me a tour through the huge facility. Hundreds of guitar amps (big), hundreds of keyboards, PA equipment, synths, mixers, mics, four B3's .... I couldn't believe the inventory. I asked him if his business level supported the inventory of gear he had. He said he averages 150 major equipment setups a MONTH! And that's just in about a 150 mile radius of his business. I couldn't believe it. He had pictures in his office of him with clients, including Paul McCartney, Roy Orbison, BB King, and many, many more. Quite an interesting visit. Eisboch Last night talking to my wife about Nissan vs Toyota, she knows I like Toyota and said "Buy what you really want and stop being so cheap". I said "Well, my Nissan was pretty reliable" and she started laughing saying "David, you thought your old 1955 Ford was reliable and it had no windows". She may have a point about buying what you want. "Buy what I want", hmmmmmm, the vehicle I TRULY lust after is a mid '50s cabover dually. For some reason, I think those cabovers are awesomely cool. An 8 cyl FLATHEAD engine. I have always wanted to rebuild a flathead engine just because I admire the simplicity of them. Put a modern electronic ignition it with HV plugs, radial tires and you'd improve the previous miles/gallon a lot. She'd have towing capacity. No comprehensive insurance costs. I could fix ANYTHING on it. The best part of all would be no bizarre electronic crap like power windows and such. I wonder if I could make one so reliable I could drive it across the USA from FL to WY. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Why not? The Model T Ford club had a rally up here last week and the paper said at least one car drove all the way from California. You can't drive any further without getting your tires wet. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch |
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"jim" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... If I were to trade in my 4Runner for a new one, I'd go back to manual, even if I had to buy a different breed. I like being able to shift when I want to. I don't like the auto dropping into another gear any time it starts climbing a hill, while towing. Using the cruise control, with an automatic, while towing is a waste. The damn thing is shifting continuously, so cruise control can't be used. Yup, manual is the way to go. Does the 4Runner have a "tow/haul" mode? Virtually all the US manufactured trucks have it, including even the little Ranger I had. The auto transmission in tow/haul mode will do a much better job of selecting the proper gear for the load than a manual transmission. Plus, you have the benefit of the torque converter which will unlock under load. An added benefit, is that they change the gear shift points, reducing the potential of lugging the engine and causing serious damage. Finally, they also provide downshifts to provide engine braking while towing, saving your brakes. A properly equipped truck with an auto is much better .... in fact the tow ratings are higher with an auto. Eisboch We just recently discussed this very topic. One of my vehicles has a highly touted 6 speed computer controlled automatic transmission. I too don't like the way it shifts while in cruise control in hilly terrain, so I don't use it under those conditions. Otherwise I am happy letting the transmission decide when to shift. I don't have the tow haul mode but I do have selectable grade braking which is computer controlled. I'd be curious to know what professional drivers think about these modern transmissions. Your Allison is probably the best auto transmission made for heavy hauling, heavy loads. A professional driver would give his left nut to have one if they made it in 18 gears. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and JohnH share the same taste in a vehicle? Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch |
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Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:51:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch Yeah, I'll just do what the book says. Actually, the 4Runner is a great towing vehicle, if I leave it in 4th gear. Then it doesn't downshift unless it *really* needs to. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and JohnH share the same taste in a vehicle? Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. Of course, there are vehicles which would probably do a nicer job. But I wasn't in the mood to trade in the 4Runner on something that I didn't really need. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote:
Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. But isn't that what you are complaining about? It should shift out of overdrive. You shouldn't be in overdrive climbing a hill and pulling the trailer anyway. The overdrive gear is wimpy to begin with, plus you are lugging the engine. That's what tow/haul is all about in a tow vehicle automatic. Ideally, you should be able to lock overdrive out or, use tow/haul, if equipped. If it makes you feel better, my F-250 Superduty, rated to tow twice or more the weight of your 4runner automatically shifts out of overdrive and sometimes unlocks the converter pulling an empty, 3000 lb GVW Haulmark trailer that probably weighs less than 1000 lbs empty. It's the frontal area wind resistance that causes the downshifts. Tow/Haul mode prevents the transmission from "hunting". Eisboch |
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:38:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. But isn't that what you are complaining about? It should shift out of overdrive. You shouldn't be in overdrive climbing a hill and pulling the trailer anyway. The overdrive gear is wimpy to begin with, plus you are lugging the engine. That's what tow/haul is all about in a tow vehicle automatic. Ideally, you should be able to lock overdrive out or, use tow/haul, if equipped. Yes! I know what I *should* do, but that isn't what I *want* to do. Like I say, if I leave it in 4th, not overdrive, it does fine. That's what the book says to do. If it makes you feel better, my F-250 Superduty, rated to tow twice or more the weight of your 4runner automatically shifts out of overdrive and sometimes unlocks the converter pulling an empty, 3000 lb GVW Haulmark trailer that probably weighs less than 1000 lbs empty. It's the frontal area wind resistance that causes the downshifts. Tow/Haul mode prevents the transmission from "hunting". 4th gear and staying out of cruise control does that for me. I should have held out for your van. No, no, I'm happy with what I've got. We're taking our friends from Holland over to West Virginia for some camping next week. We'll be staying at the north end of the Monongahela National Forest. Absolutely beautiful country. Eisboch -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:50:44 -0400, jim wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. I know! :) Almost anyone could see that I think a lot of Harry. And I know he thinks a lot of me, 'cause he's talking to me all the time. He's a special guy. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:50:44 -0400, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. I know! :) Almost anyone could see that I think a lot of Harry. And I know he thinks a lot of me, 'cause he's talking to me all the time. He's a special guy. Touching. |
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jim wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:50:44 -0400, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. I know! :) Almost anyone could see that I think a lot of Harry. And I know he thinks a lot of me, 'cause he's talking to me all the time. He's a special guy. Touching. I'm enjoying Herring's little chuckie dots...I know he's just this side of a stroke, what with just about everything in his political world going the way opposite of what he wants. What could be sweeter than Herring choking on a box of chuckie dots. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:38:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. But isn't that what you are complaining about? It should shift out of overdrive. You shouldn't be in overdrive climbing a hill and pulling the trailer anyway. The overdrive gear is wimpy to begin with, plus you are lugging the engine. That's what tow/haul is all about in a tow vehicle automatic. Ideally, you should be able to lock overdrive out or, use tow/haul, if equipped. Yes! I know what I *should* do, but that isn't what I *want* to do. Like I say, if I leave it in 4th, not overdrive, it does fine. That's what the book says to do. If it makes you feel better, my F-250 Superduty, rated to tow twice or more the weight of your 4runner automatically shifts out of overdrive and sometimes unlocks the converter pulling an empty, 3000 lb GVW Haulmark trailer that probably weighs less than 1000 lbs empty. It's the frontal area wind resistance that causes the downshifts. Tow/Haul mode prevents the transmission from "hunting". 4th gear and staying out of cruise control does that for me. I should have held out for your van. No, no, I'm happy with what I've got. We're taking our friends from Holland over to West Virginia for some camping next week. We'll be staying at the north end of the Monongahela National Forest. Absolutely beautiful country. Eisboch Need someone to show you how to drive that 4Runner? Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Ford, GM and Chrysler used to have auto transmissions in their full sized, heavy duty trucks (250 and 2500 series and up) that had a button to simply disengage overdrive for towing purposes. That wasn't ideal, but it helped. Now-a-days GM uses the Allison transmission in their 2500 series. Beautiful transmission for towing or hauling a heavy rig. Ford came out with it's "Torqueshift" transmission that acts very similarly to the Allison. Both do more than simply disengaging overdrive. They both change the shiftpoints, holding the vehicle in gears longer under heavy load and provide significant engine braking when slowing down. Ford's transmission uses a different gear set on downshifts than it does on upshifts. When towing, these transmissions make the vehicles much more safe and controllable and also reduce strain on the engines. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:26:17 -0400, Boater wrote:
jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:50:44 -0400, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. I know! :) Almost anyone could see that I think a lot of Harry. And I know he thinks a lot of me, 'cause he's talking to me all the time. He's a special guy. Touching. I'm enjoying Herring's little chuckie dots...I know he's just this side of a stroke, what with just about everything in his political world going the way opposite of what he wants. What could be sweeter than Herring choking on a box of chuckie dots. -- A Harry Krause truism: "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Narcissistic Hypocrite] |
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JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:26:17 -0400, Boater wrote: jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:50:44 -0400, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:55:59 -0400, jim wrote: Boater wrote: Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission. You and John co-own the same car? No wonder youse guys are at each others throat all the time. Jim, I'm not at Krause's throat. I think I've address a comment to him once in the past month. I was joking John. I know! :) Almost anyone could see that I think a lot of Harry. And I know he thinks a lot of me, 'cause he's talking to me all the time. He's a special guy. Touching. I'm enjoying Herring's little chuckie dots...I know he's just this side of a stroke, what with just about everything in his political world going the way opposite of what he wants. What could be sweeter than Herring choking on a box of chuckie dots. Thanks...it certainly did bear repeating! BTW, that donation you made to the GOP...how do you think it looks on Sarah's back as part of $150,000 wardrobe you helped pay for...I guess it does mean you *can* put lipstick on a pig, eh? When are you moving out of Virginia? |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... BTW, that donation you made to the GOP...how do you think it looks on Sarah's back as part of $150,000 wardrobe you helped pay for...I guess it does mean you *can* put lipstick on a pig, eh? Right. It's just not fair. Obama has to pay for his own $1,400 suits. Helps to connect to the middle class, you know. Of course, his income from two "memoirs" pay for them. Or do they? BTW .... how do you write two memoirs as a young man who really hasn't done anything of importance yet? Eisboch |
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On Oct 21, 4:59*pm, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message .. . I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. *An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Eisboch I have the same car. I tow in 4th, not in OD, and when necessary, I downshift to third or lower. Much easier on the transmission.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - When necessary the tranny will downshift to third or lower all by itself. That's why they call it an AUTOMATIC transmission. |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message .. . Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Ford, GM and Chrysler used to have auto transmissions in their full sized, heavy duty trucks (250 and 2500 series and up) that had a button to simply disengage overdrive for towing purposes. That wasn't ideal, but it helped. Now-a-days GM uses the Allison transmission in their 2500 series. Beautiful transmission for towing or hauling a heavy rig. Ford came out with it's "Torqueshift" transmission that acts very similarly to the Allison. Both do more than simply disengaging overdrive. They both change the shiftpoints, holding the vehicle in gears longer under heavy load and provide significant engine braking when slowing down. Ford's transmission uses a different gear set on downshifts than it does on upshifts. When towing, these transmissions make the vehicles much more safe and controllable and also reduce strain on the engines. Let me tell you - that is a BIG difference between the heavier duty pickups and the POS F-150 that I bought. BIG difference. My truck is a nice truck - all leather, options up the wazoo but it just doesn't tow for crap. Even with the 5.4. I've revised my opinion - if your going to tow anything over 2,500 lbs, step up to the 3/4 or 1 ton class pickup. Once I get back in decent shape, I'm looking for a good used F-250 diesel to tow my boats with. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :) |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:18:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... BTW, that donation you made to the GOP...how do you think it looks on Sarah's back as part of $150,000 wardrobe you helped pay for...I guess it does mean you *can* put lipstick on a pig, eh? Right. It's just not fair. Obama has to pay for his own $1,400 suits. Helps to connect to the middle class, you know. Of course, his income from two "memoirs" pay for them. Or do they? BTW .... how do you write two memoirs as a young man who really hasn't done anything of importance yet? He didn't write them. Ayers did. :) |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... BTW, that donation you made to the GOP...how do you think it looks on Sarah's back as part of $150,000 wardrobe you helped pay for...I guess it does mean you *can* put lipstick on a pig, eh? Right. It's just not fair. Obama has to pay for his own $1,400 suits. Helps to connect to the middle class, you know. Of course, his income from two "memoirs" pay for them. Or do they? BTW .... how do you write two memoirs as a young man who really hasn't done anything of importance yet? Eisboch In your mind, perhaps, he's not done anything of importance. He's had a remarkable life so far. I don't know what Obama pays for his suits, but they're nothing special. He might be a bit hard to fit because of his height and lack of avoirdupois, though. A $1000 is about average for a decent made to order man's business suit these days, by the way. I wore one yesterday for a meeting downtown. Boy, was I surprised...right after Labor Day, the client changed its dress code to "business casual" except for board meetings and meetings with "new investors." I was the only one there wearing a tie...but not for long. |
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On Oct 22, 8:34*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... BTW, that donation you made to the GOP...how do you think it looks on Sarah's back as part of $150,000 wardrobe you helped pay for...I guess it does mean you *can* put lipstick on a pig, eh? Right. *It's just not fair. * Obama has to pay for his own *$1,400 suits. Helps to connect to the middle class, you know. Of course, his income from two "memoirs" *pay for them. *Or do they? BTW .... how do you write two memoirs as a young man who really hasn't done anything of importance yet? Eisboch In your mind, perhaps, he's not done anything of importance. He's had a remarkable life so far. I don't know what Obama pays for his suits, but they're nothing special. * He might be a bit hard to fit because of his height and lack of avoirdupois, though. A $1000 is about average for a decent made to order man's business suit these days, by the way. I wore one yesterday for a meeting downtown. Boy, was I surprised...right after Labor Day, the client changed its dress code to "business casual" except for board meetings and meetings with "new investors." I was the only one there wearing a tie...but not for long.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, sure, we believe you. |
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Don White wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:38:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. But isn't that what you are complaining about? It should shift out of overdrive. You shouldn't be in overdrive climbing a hill and pulling the trailer anyway. The overdrive gear is wimpy to begin with, plus you are lugging the engine. That's what tow/haul is all about in a tow vehicle automatic. Ideally, you should be able to lock overdrive out or, use tow/haul, if equipped. Yes! I know what I *should* do, but that isn't what I *want* to do. Like I say, if I leave it in 4th, not overdrive, it does fine. That's what the book says to do. If it makes you feel better, my F-250 Superduty, rated to tow twice or more the weight of your 4runner automatically shifts out of overdrive and sometimes unlocks the converter pulling an empty, 3000 lb GVW Haulmark trailer that probably weighs less than 1000 lbs empty. It's the frontal area wind resistance that causes the downshifts. Tow/Haul mode prevents the transmission from "hunting". 4th gear and staying out of cruise control does that for me. I should have held out for your van. No, no, I'm happy with what I've got. We're taking our friends from Holland over to West Virginia for some camping next week. We'll be staying at the north end of the Monongahela National Forest. Absolutely beautiful country. Eisboch Need someone to show you how to drive that 4Runner? Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Even my car can and has towed 2300 lbs. It's not a big deal. |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message . .. Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Ford, GM and Chrysler used to have auto transmissions in their full sized, heavy duty trucks (250 and 2500 series and up) that had a button to simply disengage overdrive for towing purposes. That wasn't ideal, but it helped. Now-a-days GM uses the Allison transmission in their 2500 series. Beautiful transmission for towing or hauling a heavy rig. Ford came out with it's "Torqueshift" transmission that acts very similarly to the Allison. Both do more than simply disengaging overdrive. They both change the shiftpoints, holding the vehicle in gears longer under heavy load and provide significant engine braking when slowing down. Ford's transmission uses a different gear set on downshifts than it does on upshifts. When towing, these transmissions make the vehicles much more safe and controllable and also reduce strain on the engines. Let me tell you - that is a BIG difference between the heavier duty pickups and the POS F-150 that I bought. BIG difference. My truck is a nice truck - all leather, options up the wazoo but it just doesn't tow for crap. Even with the 5.4. I've revised my opinion - if your going to tow anything over 2,500 lbs, step up to the 3/4 or 1 ton class pickup. Once I get back in decent shape, I'm looking for a good used F-250 diesel to tow my boats with. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :) I am finding that the F-250 Superduty with the same engine you have (the 5.4L) is more than adequate for towing, but I think it is more due to the TorqueShift transmission. The 5.4L is not a powerhouse like the diesel I had, but you don't need it. The transmission in tow/haul mode picks the correct gear, holds it as required under load, and makes towing a breeze. In other words, it acts like a truck. It does not prevent going into overdrive, although it rarely shifts into OD when towing, unless on the straight and level and above about 65 mph. I love how it downshifts through the gears when slowing down, very much like the Allison transmission. If you like Fords (as I do), you might want to try out a gasser F-250 before spending the extra bucks for the diesel. The F-150's, last I knew, do not come with the TorqueShift transmission. They have a "tow/haul/ mode, but it's not the same. I believe the light duty F-150 trucks use the standard, 5 speed electronically controlled transmission, the same one used in Mrs. E's Navigator. My son has an '08 F-150. Both his truck and Mrs. E's '08 Navigator drive and shift the same way .... more like a car. Works fine, but for towing the TS is better. Another benefit is this: Ford originally designed the TorqueShift transmission for use in their diesel powered pickups in order to handle the additional low end torque. They worked so well, Ford decided to also use them in the rest of the SuperDuty series, including the gas engines. It means you have a very durable and heavy duty transmission .... an important consideration if you intend to tow much. Eisboch |
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Boater wrote:
I'm enjoying Herring's little chuckie dots...I know he's just this side of a stroke, what with just about everything in his political world going the way opposite of what he wants. What could be sweeter than Herring choking on a box of chuckie dots. What ever happened to Harry Krause. You know. The guy who thinks anyone using an alias is gutless. |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... I'm getting pretty good at picking up speed on the downgrade and letting it bleed off on the upgrade. Works pretty well, lets me stay in overdrive, and saves gas. I just miss the manual tranny. Hey, John .... I am not trying to nit-pic this subject to death, but realizing you are fairly new to the TT crowd and towing, there's one thing I forgot to mention about towing with manual transmissions ... something I learned from experience a while back. The issue is not the ability to downshift and select a proper gear while climbing hills. You can do that with both an automatic or a manual. The primary negative of a manual transmission for towing is the clutch wear getting everything moving from a stop. In your average pickup, SUV or car that is equipped with a manual transmission, the clutch is sized to get the weight of the vehicle moving, not it plus the weight of the towed item. When you add the weight of the towed item .... in your case a travel trailer or even your boat, the clutch has to transfer the engine torque required to get the added weight going, requiring more slippage and causing premature wear. Picture yourself at a stoplight on a steep upward incline and trying to get things in motion. I burned out the clutch in a Ford F-150 while backing a 23' Travel Trailer uphill into a campsite many years ago. You could smell it and later, on the way home, it slipped so badly I could hardly get things moving. The automatic utilizes a torque converter that multiplies available "starting out" torque tremendously. Unless you are in the habit of flooring it every time you start out, there's no adverse affect on the transmission. That's why automatics are better for towing than manuals and why the manufacturers recommend automatics for towing. Even the big, tractor trailers hauling really heavy loads are now often equipped with Allison automatic truck transmissions. As they say, "that's my story and I am sticking to it." Eisboch |
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jim wrote:
Don White wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:38:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:27:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: With all due respect, what you are missing is a vehicle designed to tow something. You don't want to be in overdrive while towing. An automatic, designed for towing applications, will figure it out for you. Anyway, the 4Runner may be fine for short distance and light load occasional towing, but not for a travel trailer camper. JohnH just bought a camper. Even though his camper/trailer is light-weight, the 4Runner isn't an ideal tow vehicle for it. The problem is the wind resistance, not the weight, and I guarantee that is what he is complaining about. The 4Runner is a very nice, very light duty vehicle. It's not designed to pull high area resistance trailers down the interstate. Tried to tell him, but he won't listen, so he has to learn for himself. A manual transmission will do zip for him. Eisboch Oh horse puckey. The 4Runner does a great job of towing a trailer which is about half its towing capacity. It wants to downshift going uphill if I'm in overdrive. That may be due to wind resistance. But isn't that what you are complaining about? It should shift out of overdrive. You shouldn't be in overdrive climbing a hill and pulling the trailer anyway. The overdrive gear is wimpy to begin with, plus you are lugging the engine. That's what tow/haul is all about in a tow vehicle automatic. Ideally, you should be able to lock overdrive out or, use tow/haul, if equipped. Yes! I know what I *should* do, but that isn't what I *want* to do. Like I say, if I leave it in 4th, not overdrive, it does fine. That's what the book says to do. If it makes you feel better, my F-250 Superduty, rated to tow twice or more the weight of your 4runner automatically shifts out of overdrive and sometimes unlocks the converter pulling an empty, 3000 lb GVW Haulmark trailer that probably weighs less than 1000 lbs empty. It's the frontal area wind resistance that causes the downshifts. Tow/Haul mode prevents the transmission from "hunting". 4th gear and staying out of cruise control does that for me. I should have held out for your van. No, no, I'm happy with what I've got. We're taking our friends from Holland over to West Virginia for some camping next week. We'll be staying at the north end of the Monongahela National Forest. Absolutely beautiful country. Eisboch Need someone to show you how to drive that 4Runner? Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Even my car can and has towed 2300 lbs. It's not a big deal. Ask Don how he stops the little Ranger 4x2 and the 2300 lb load. I would bet that the little itty bitty transmission in that little Ranger 4x2 is about at it's end of life. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Even my little Ranger 4x2 had a tow mode button in the auto transmission lever. I used it all the way on my 5000 kilometer round trip towing a 2330 lb load last year. Ford, GM and Chrysler used to have auto transmissions in their full sized, heavy duty trucks (250 and 2500 series and up) that had a button to simply disengage overdrive for towing purposes. That wasn't ideal, but it helped. Now-a-days GM uses the Allison transmission in their 2500 series. Beautiful transmission for towing or hauling a heavy rig. Ford came out with it's "Torqueshift" transmission that acts very similarly to the Allison. Both do more than simply disengaging overdrive. They both change the shiftpoints, holding the vehicle in gears longer under heavy load and provide significant engine braking when slowing down. Ford's transmission uses a different gear set on downshifts than it does on upshifts. When towing, these transmissions make the vehicles much more safe and controllable and also reduce strain on the engines. Let me tell you - that is a BIG difference between the heavier duty pickups and the POS F-150 that I bought. BIG difference. My truck is a nice truck - all leather, options up the wazoo but it just doesn't tow for crap. Even with the 5.4. I've revised my opinion - if your going to tow anything over 2,500 lbs, step up to the 3/4 or 1 ton class pickup. Once I get back in decent shape, I'm looking for a good used F-250 diesel to tow my boats with. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :) I am finding that the F-250 Superduty with the same engine you have (the 5.4L) is more than adequate for towing, but I think it is more due to the TorqueShift transmission. The 5.4L is not a powerhouse like the diesel I had, but you don't need it. The transmission in tow/haul mode picks the correct gear, holds it as required under load, and makes towing a breeze. In other words, it acts like a truck. It does not prevent going into overdrive, although it rarely shifts into OD when towing, unless on the straight and level and above about 65 mph. I love how it downshifts through the gears when slowing down, very much like the Allison transmission. If you like Fords (as I do), you might want to try out a gasser F-250 before spending the extra bucks for the diesel. The F-150's, last I knew, do not come with the TorqueShift transmission. They have a "tow/haul/ mode, but it's not the same. I believe the light duty F-150 trucks use the standard, 5 speed electronically controlled transmission, the same one used in Mrs. E's Navigator. My son has an '08 F-150. Both his truck and Mrs. E's '08 Navigator drive and shift the same way .... more like a car. Works fine, but for towing the TS is better. Another benefit is this: Ford originally designed the TorqueShift transmission for use in their diesel powered pickups in order to handle the additional low end torque. They worked so well, Ford decided to also use them in the rest of the SuperDuty series, including the gas engines. It means you have a very durable and heavy duty transmission .... an important consideration if you intend to tow much. If I remember correctly the F-150's have a 4R75 mated with the 5.4L V8 and the F-250's have a 4R100 mated with the 5.4L V8. 4R100 is a much better tranny. |
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"BAR" wrote in message ... jim wrote: Even my car can and has towed 2300 lbs. It's not a big deal. Ask Don how he stops the little Ranger 4x2 and the 2300 lb load. I would bet that the little itty bitty transmission in that little Ranger 4x2 is about at it's end of life. I don't know about that. The Ranger is a tough little truck for it's size and should handle that weight without any problems. It uses a Mazda transmission that has been well proven. I towed a car trailer with my John Deere tractor and backhoe attachment on it a few miles to my daughter's house with the Ranger I had. The tractor probably weighs close to 4000 lbs ... maybe more and the trailer was about 1400 lbs. I wouldn't recommend this, nor would I do it again (one of the reasons I got the F-250 SuperDuty), but I was amazed at how well the little truck handled it. I was also amazed that the town cop that watched by pass by him didn't stop me. The whole setup looks ridiculous with the trailer and tractor about twice the size of the little truck. But ... he just stared and let me go by. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:01:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
If you like Fords (as I do), you might want to try out a gasser F-250 before spending the extra bucks for the diesel. Yeah - I'm pretty much a Ford guy. Well, I can't do anything about it now - another couple of weeks maybe. I do know they are getting desperate - maybe it's time to go looking at a new truck. |
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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:01:34 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: If you like Fords (as I do), you might want to try out a gasser F-250 before spending the extra bucks for the diesel. Yeah - I'm pretty much a Ford guy. Well, I can't do anything about it now - another couple of weeks maybe. I do know they are getting desperate - maybe it's time to go looking at a new truck. You can try mine out if you want. Bring your boat and you can compare. Eisboch |
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