On 20 Oct 2008 23:44:35 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

Cliff wrote in
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On 19 Oct 2008 04:41:49 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

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On 17 Oct 2008 23:35:25 GMT, D Murphy wrote:

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On 17 Oct 2008 21:20:12 GMT, D Murphy
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Cliff wrote in
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On 17 Oct 2008 07:14:57 GMT, D Murphy
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McCain and Obama's plans are identical in that neither actually
cuts taxes,

It sounds like Obama may try to control spending.
Start there.

You're not familiar with his platform then. He has never claimed
anything of the sort. Just the opposite in fact.

His platform reduces spending compared to McSame's.

Utter nonsense. Neither plan reduces spending at all. They both
increase deficit spending.

Check your facts.

I did.

Nope.

OK then, find one credible economic anylist that says either plan will
eliminate deficit spending.

Reading comprehension problems or just trying to switch
horses mid-stream again?

Obama says he's giving a tax cut to the poorest
Americans. How?

Check your facts.

No need. You can't cut ones taxes if they pay none.

Which is not what is at issue.

Then explain how he is going to cut their taxes.



They don't pay any taxes. What he does is mail them a
check. That's not a tax cut, it's welfare.

Check your facts.

This is right on his web site.

You seem confused.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

[Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama and Biden will restore
fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief
they need. Obama and Biden will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit
of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family.]

So if you are already paying no tax, you will get a check. And it will
add another 10,000,000 people to the roles of those who pay no income
tax.

150 million workers pay no taxes now?
Probably best not to count gummer but ...

If you pay no tax and the government sends you a check, only a liar would
call it a tax cut. A charitable person might call it a subsidy. A realist
would call it welfare. In any case it's another expensive entitlement
that once enacted will be impossible to get rid of.

150 million workers pay no taxes now?

Just not enough yet IMHO.

If you want to spend on wars & lies then raise the taxes
on those that can best afford to pay for the wars & lies
(who seem to support them most anyway).

There's no way of knowing whether that will in fact happen or not.

Reread my point.

Get us out of debt as a first priority!!

Unfortunately that's not one of the two choices.

Clearly it's never been a repub one.
Look at what they do, not what they say.
Wingers lie.

Yeah right.

Check your facts.

Just look at the economic miracle that Illinois Democrats
including Obama brought to their own home state when they took the
majority.

Was this after those repubs went to jail?

It was one. As compared with two democrats per year on average since
1973.

Get them all, if crooked.

I agree.

But how many repubs can we afford to jail?


By the time the "hopeful changer" ran for the US Senate,
Illinois had the highest state budget deficit in the country.

The repubs had cut their taxes & increased spending?
More trickle-down, right?

Uh no. It was Obama's pal Rod "the unreformer" Blagojevich.

Popular guy.. doing what you want done ... free money ..
sort of welfare for the rich ...

He hasn't cut taxes. He did increase spending though.


It has only
gotten worse. Not to mention the record deficits in Cook county and
Chicago. All thanks to Obama's corrupt pals Daley, Stroger, and
Blagojevich.

Offer to pay taxes & hire people at a decent wage.

They just had to pay out millions to people who were wrongfully fired
from their jobs in order to make way for politically connected hires.

Bushco actually paid?

Yeah right. We pay.


He had time to write two memoirs but never wrote any legislation
unless it enriched his friends and supporters. Everything else was
handed to him by Emil Jones for him to put his name on to build his
resume for a run at the US Senate. He's a bag of fluff whose
beholden to the machine. You'll see.

You do love the winger sites.

Meanwhile, I wonder what Rezko is whispering to the feds? Blago is
certainly in deep trouble. I wonder who else?

Probably a pile of repubs.

Doubtful.

Based on history ....

[Earlier this month, the Sun-Times reported about FBI agents
interviewing people who worked on a Blagojevich home rehab project
that was overseen by a Rezko company. Rezko was convicted in June of
wide-ranging fraud involving Blagojevich's administration, and
prosecutors have disclosed they're in talks with Rezko about becoming
a federal witness.

Sources who spoke to the Sun-Times on condition of anonymity said
agents had asked questions about Patti Blagojevich's real estate
dealings with Rezko. The work got under way in July 2003 -- about six
months after the governor began accepting Rezko's recommendations to
place people on state boards and about eight months after Patti
Blagojevich landed a $47,000 commission from a Rezko land deal.

Tiran and companies he's associated with gave $20,525 to the
governor's campaign fund from March 2001 to August 2006.

And bushco got how much from bankers & brokers & defense
contractors & drug firms & insurance firms & etc.?

Rezko gave Bush a pile of money in an effort to get him to fire A.G.
Fitzgerald. Bush didn't take the bait.


A business partner of Tiran's, Beny Garneata, was among 15 people
charged in May in a federal bribery probe of the city's Buildings and
Zoning departments. Garneata is fighting those charges, which aren't
connected to his business relationship with Tiran.

In 2006, Tiran paid $150,000 to settle two civil lawsuits filed by the
city of Chicago that alleged he illegally built condominium units in
the Logan Square neighborhood.]

So no charges or convictions.

Huh? It takes longer than a week. In case you didn't know this the FBI is
a government agency. As such they are in no real hurry. Unlike on TV
where they rush around and tie everything up in a day.

BTW, Who controls the FBI these days?

Robert S. Mueller III

IOW Repubs & bushco & neocons.
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Cliff