On Oct 1, 3:40 pm, A Real Boater wrote:
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On Oct 1, 3:09 pm, A Real Boater wrote:
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On Oct 1, 2:54 pm, wrote:
On Oct 1, 1:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
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I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. They work well together and are friends. We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?
It's your business?
I'd take him aside and tell him that language isn't acceptable. Then have
him apologize to the black guy.
I'd document the meeting just in case something came of this problem in the
future.... you may not have to enter it in the young guys file, but it
should be at hand.
Funny, though, it's ok for some young black people to use that language
among themselves, but no whiteboy had better try it.
I've got a black neighbor who frequently has friends and family over
for parties, I'm always invited. I've never heard any of them ever
utter the word. And they don't call white people names either. He does
however, have a very logical explanation as to why some urban types do
use that word. But, again, it's logical, so it'd be wasted on all of
the Harryclones.
He knows he did wrong. After lunch he apologized to everybody. Said
he was just kidding with his friend and ran his mouth without
thinking. I laid down the law about such stuff.
Be thankful you don't have a Justwaitaloogy working for you...you'd have
daily fistfights.

I hate having employees. If you ever start your own company, avoid
employees at all costs. Keep people as indep. contractors if
possible.

The new American way...avoid wage-hour laws, step around fringe
benefits, and use your "contracted employees" up. When they break, get
new ones.

Sorry...not a way I would do it. Now, contracting out professional
(legal, accounting, et ceters) or infrequently used services...sure.

Really Harry, eventually the aggravation factor becomes too much and
it simply isnt worth doing more business because that requires more
employees. Most people are employed by small business and when small
employers decide it isnt worth the stress to hire another employee,
everybody loses. You worry about what haps when the contract employee
"breaks", what about when the employer "breaks".

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On Oct 1, 1:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:
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I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. They work well together and are friends. We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?

It's your business?

I'd take him aside and tell him that language isn't acceptable. Then have
him apologize to the black guy.
I'd document the meeting just in case something came of this problem in
the
future.... you may not have to enter it in the young guys file, but it
should be at hand.

Funny, though, it's ok for some young black people to use that language
among themselves, but no whiteboy had better try it.

I've got a black neighbor who frequently has friends and family over
for parties, I'm always invited. I've never heard any of them ever
utter the word. And they don't call white people names either. He does
however, have a very logical explanation as to why some urban types do
use that word. But, again, it's logical, so it'd be wasted on all of
the Harryclones.
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Take it to Oprah or Dr. Phil.

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On Oct 1, 3:09 pm, A Real Boater wrote:
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On Oct 1, 2:54 pm, wrote:
On Oct 1, 1:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:

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I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black
guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. They work well together and are friends. We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna
go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?
It's your business?
I'd take him aside and tell him that language isn't acceptable. Then
have
him apologize to the black guy.
I'd document the meeting just in case something came of this problem
in the
future.... you may not have to enter it in the young guys file, but
it
should be at hand.
Funny, though, it's ok for some young black people to use that
language
among themselves, but no whiteboy had better try it.
I've got a black neighbor who frequently has friends and family over
for parties, I'm always invited. I've never heard any of them ever
utter the word. And they don't call white people names either. He does
however, have a very logical explanation as to why some urban types do
use that word. But, again, it's logical, so it'd be wasted on all of
the Harryclones.

He knows he did wrong. After lunch he apologized to everybody. Said
he was just kidding with his friend and ran his mouth without
thinking. I laid down the law about such stuff.

Be thankful you don't have a Justwaitaloogy working for you...you'd have
daily fistfights.

I hate having employees. If you ever start your own company, avoid
employees at all costs. Keep people as indep. contractors if
possible. Employees expect you to take care of them and I dont want
to take care of anybody. Am tired of personality conflicts, tired of
worrying about their job security, what about mine? Tired of the
friggin paperwork for each one of em. NJ wants me to garnish one guys
wages for back child support, like hell, that isnt my business.
Workers comp insurance, you gotta be kidding, My god, I was better off
by myself. "I have a Ph.D. and should be making X $/hr" one whines
and I think "In yer friggin dreams, go try to get that around here".
I cut hours of one part timer who didnt get along with anybody and he
blurted out "I just took on $30,000 debt" and my jaw nearly hit the
floor. "Is that my business", I think. What about my company debt
for which I am personally liable, does he expect me to simply mortgage
my house to pay him more? The young guy who made the racial slur
drives a spanking new Ford 150 with every add-on you can imagine and
his wife drives a 2007 Yukon and he confessed to having $60,000 in cc
debt and is now going on a cruise. HOLY SH#$. What planet do these
people live on?
Sorry bout the tirade, just venting

Actually, that kind of crap eventually affects us all.
At some point he'll default on his payments and will either declare
bankruptcy, or will go on some orderly payment scheme at minimal interest.
The sensible people like me end up paying more.
I sure hope there are some good financing schemes this spring when i need a
new SUV.
On the other hand, my investments aren't doing anything..... might be
smarter to apply some monies from there to a new vehicle.

On Oct 1, 4:40*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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On Oct 1, 1:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:





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I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. They work well together and are friends. We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?

It's your business?

I'd take him aside and tell him that language isn't acceptable. Then have
him apologize to the black guy.
I'd document the meeting just in case something came of this problem in
the
future.... you may not have to enter it in the young guys file, but it
should be at hand.

Funny, though, it's ok for some young black people to use that language
among themselves, but no whiteboy had better try it.

I've got a black neighbor who frequently has friends and family over
for parties, I'm always invited. I've never heard any of them ever
utter the word. And they don't call white people names either. He does
however, have a very logical explanation as to why some urban types do
use that word. But, again, it's logical, so it'd be wasted on all of
the Harryclones.
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Thanks for making my point about something logical being wasted on you
Harryclone puppies.

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Really Harry, eventually the aggravation factor becomes too much and
it simply isnt worth doing more business because that requires more
employees. Most people are employed by small business and when small
employers decide it isnt worth the stress to hire another employee,
everybody loses. You worry about what haps when the contract employee
"breaks", what about when the employer "breaks".


You sell the business and retire to a life of luxury.
Others have done just that here.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT),
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I hate having employees. If you ever start your own company, avoid
employees at all costs. Keep people as indep. contractors if
possible. Employees expect you to take care of them and I dont want
to take care of anybody. Am tired of personality conflicts, tired of
worrying about their job security, what about mine? Tired of the
friggin paperwork for each one of em. NJ wants me to garnish one guys
wages for back child support, like hell, that isnt my business.
Workers comp insurance, you gotta be kidding, My god, I was better off
by myself. "I have a Ph.D. and should be making X $/hr" one whines
and I think "In yer friggin dreams, go try to get that around here".
I cut hours of one part timer who didnt get along with anybody and he
blurted out "I just took on $30,000 debt" and my jaw nearly hit the
floor. "Is that my business", I think. What about my company debt
for which I am personally liable, does he expect me to simply mortgage
my house to pay him more? The young guy who made the racial slur
drives a spanking new Ford 150 with every add-on you can imagine and
his wife drives a 2007 Yukon and he confessed to having $60,000 in cc
debt and is now going on a cruise. HOLY SH#$. What planet do these
people live on?

The U.S.A planet. Congress will make sure they can get even deeper in
debt if they pass the bailout. They don't want to stop the credit
flow. We're becoming a nation of deadbeats. It won't last much
longer - but I said that 10 years ago.
Managing people is always tough work, and takes dedication.
You're getting old, and don't want the hassle after years of hard
work. Seen it happen before to some of the best.
Lay the hiring/personnel off on a young buck you trust, giving just
oversight yourself.
Once you start selling off work to contracting companies, you
essentially lose touch of business purpose and operation.
That's why I mow my own lawn. Its operation is automatic, but its
purpose is to have me mow it. It's all pretty simple, really.

--Vic

--Vic

On Oct 1, 4:56 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT),
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I hate having employees. If you ever start your own company, avoid
employees at all costs. Keep people as indep. contractors if
possible. Employees expect you to take care of them and I dont want
to take care of anybody. Am tired of personality conflicts, tired of
worrying about their job security, what about mine? Tired of the
friggin paperwork for each one of em. NJ wants me to garnish one guys
wages for back child support, like hell, that isnt my business.
Workers comp insurance, you gotta be kidding, My god, I was better off
by myself. "I have a Ph.D. and should be making X $/hr" one whines
and I think "In yer friggin dreams, go try to get that around here".
I cut hours of one part timer who didnt get along with anybody and he
blurted out "I just took on $30,000 debt" and my jaw nearly hit the
floor. "Is that my business", I think. What about my company debt
for which I am personally liable, does he expect me to simply mortgage
my house to pay him more? The young guy who made the racial slur
drives a spanking new Ford 150 with every add-on you can imagine and
his wife drives a 2007 Yukon and he confessed to having $60,000 in cc
debt and is now going on a cruise. HOLY SH#$. What planet do these
people live on?

The U.S.A planet. Congress will make sure they can get even deeper in
debt if they pass the bailout. They don't want to stop the credit
flow. We're becoming a nation of deadbeats. It won't last much
longer - but I said that 10 years ago.
Managing people is always tough work, and takes dedication.
You're getting old, and don't want the hassle after years of hard
work. Seen it happen before to some of the best.
Lay the hiring/personnel off on a young buck you trust, giving just
oversight yourself.
Once you start selling off work to contracting companies, you
essentially lose touch of business purpose and operation.
That's why I mow my own lawn. Its operation is automatic, but its
purpose is to have me mow it. It's all pretty simple, really.

--Vic

--Vic

I know a guy in my business (well, a variation) who loves spending
time aboard his trawler. he has this tiny company In Friday Harbor in
WA. He seems to be retired now because last time I called there he
didnt answer and some young guy did. Seemed an ideal existence do
cool stuff, go to conferences, live in a nice place with a nice
boat...........then retire?

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On Oct 1, 2:54 pm, wrote:
On Oct 1, 1:35 pm, "Don White" wrote:



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I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. They work well together and are friends. We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?
It's your business?
I'd take him aside and tell him that language isn't acceptable. Then have
him apologize to the black guy.
I'd document the meeting just in case something came of this problem in the
future.... you may not have to enter it in the young guys file, but it
should be at hand.
Funny, though, it's ok for some young black people to use that language
among themselves, but no whiteboy had better try it.
I've got a black neighbor who frequently has friends and family over
for parties, I'm always invited. I've never heard any of them ever
utter the word. And they don't call white people names either. He does
however, have a very logical explanation as to why some urban types do
use that word. But, again, it's logical, so it'd be wasted on all of
the Harryclones.

He knows he did wrong. After lunch he apologized to everybody. Said
he was just kidding with his friend and ran his mouth without
thinking. I laid down the law about such stuff.

How does the black guy feel about that? Depending on your state's laws,
you could end up in court for not dismissing the offender. Even if the
black guy is OK with it, make sure he understands you won't tolerate
that behavior.

On Oct 1, 12:34*pm, wrote:
I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. *They work well together and are friends. *We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". *Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". *Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. *Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?

No offense but consider this...........

You are asking for opinions about how you treat your employees and run
your company from a bunch of folks you have never met, know nothing
about and at a boating NG.

Wow.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 17:16:14 -0700 (PDT), JimH
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On Oct 1, 12:34Â*pm, wrote:
I have two guys who work in the machine shop here, an older black guy
who knows everything possible about machining and a younger guy who
sorta gets by. Â*They work well together and are friends. Â*We were
talking about where to go for lunch and the young guy asked 'Wanna go
get Chinese food", "No, we did that last week". Â*Then he asks, "How
about some N*gg*r food". Â*Total silence as the rest of us were
shocked. Â*Then he says "Oh, never mind".
What should I do?

No offense but consider this...........

You are asking for opinions about how you treat your employees and run
your company from a bunch of folks you have never met, know nothing
about and at a boating NG.

Wow.

You are severely underestimating the capabilities of this group.
We're a bunch of regular guys, and gave him good advice.
Maybe he should hire a labor relations consulting firm for the answer?
Hire a lawyer?
No. He caught us sober, and it paid off for him.
Boaters give good advice, because they're good folks.
So there.

--Vic