wrote:
On Sep 16, 8:39*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 15, 11:29*pm, wrote:

On Sep 15, 11:40*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:55*pm, wrote:

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay for mine and I
get to pay for yours

which you do now. it's just more expensive now than it would be under
universal care.

I get first dibs at the doctors under the present system. *And why
shouldn't I? *I'm paying for it.

so you enjoy having average health care for inflated prices?

I enjoy paying my own way.

Even if it costs you half again as much.

Sucker.

yep sounds republican.

Yeh, that whole, ummm, personal responsibility thingy really upsets
some folks.

If you're so in favor of "personal responsibility" then why don't you
insist on higher taxes?

Under the squirrels and the hawkes system, I pay for theirs and I pay
for mine, and some else says who gets dibs on appointments and
treatments.

never heard of an HMO did you? they tell you what doctors you'll go
to, what treatment they'll pay for, etc.

I could have selected the HMO route and paid less. Instead I selected
a Preferred Choice plan.

As opposed to paying your own way?

you really HAVE swallowed the GOP kool aid, haven't you? you don't
have control over your health care at all. your boss does. your
insurance company does.

As it stands now, I can change plans and I can change bosses.

And if you get sick or injured and can't work, you can't get any
plan, you can't get any job, and you and your family go broke.

The leading cause of personal bankruptcies is medical emergencies.

--
Ray Fischer

On Sep 16, 11:24*pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 16, 8:39*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 15, 11:29*pm, wrote:

On Sep 15, 11:40*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:55*pm, wrote:

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay for mine and I
get to pay for yours

which you do now. it's just more expensive now than it would be under
universal care.

I get first dibs at the doctors under the present system. *And why
shouldn't I? *I'm paying for it.

so you enjoy having average health care for inflated prices?

I enjoy paying my own way.

Even if it costs you half again as much.

Sucker.

Just like when I buy a car. I could purchase a hundai or a lexus. Is
anyone driving anything other than a hundai a sucker?

yep sounds republican.

Yeh, that whole, ummm, personal responsibility thingy really upsets
some folks.

If you're so in favor of "personal responsibility" then why don't you
insist on higher taxes?

Why don't you pay your taxes?

Under the squirrels and the hawkes system, I pay for theirs and I pay
for mine, and some else says who gets dibs on appointments and
treatments.

never heard of an HMO did you? they tell you what doctors you'll go
to, what treatment they'll pay for, etc.

I could have selected the HMO route and paid less. *Instead I selected
a Preferred Choice plan.

As opposed to paying your own way?

It is part of my compensation package. There will always be an
additional "co-pay" to keep malingerers from overtaxing the system.

you really HAVE swallowed the GOP kool aid, haven't you? you don't
have control over your health care at all. your boss does. your
insurance company does.

As it stands now, I can change plans and I can change bosses.

And if you get sick or injured and can't work, you can't get any
plan, you can't get any job, and you and your family go broke.

Me? I keep myself employed. I make it a point to do so. I consider
it my "responsibility" to provide for myself and my family.

So should I have a catastrophic injury or health event, I'm covered.

The leading cause of personal bankruptcies is medical emergencies.

And making health care free to everyone who doesn't work is going to
make it better for me who is paying the bills? How?

--
Ray Fischer * * * *

wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 16, 8:39*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 15, 11:29*pm, wrote:

On Sep 15, 11:40*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:55*pm, wrote:

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay for mine and I
get to pay for yours

which you do now. it's just more expensive now than it would be under
universal care.

I get first dibs at the doctors under the present system. *And why
shouldn't I? *I'm paying for it.

so you enjoy having average health care for inflated prices?

I enjoy paying my own way.

Even if it costs you half again as much.

Sucker.

Just like when I buy a car. I could purchase a hundai or a lexus. Is
anyone driving anything other than a hundai a sucker?

You pay for a Lexus and get a Hyundai.

yep sounds republican.

Yeh, that whole, ummm, personal responsibility thingy really upsets
some folks.

If you're so in favor of "personal responsibility" then why don't you
insist on higher taxes?

Why don't you pay your taxes?

Such an intelligent response.

Under the squirrels and the hawkes system, I pay for theirs and I pay
for mine, and some else says who gets dibs on appointments and
treatments.

never heard of an HMO did you? they tell you what doctors you'll go
to, what treatment they'll pay for, etc.

I could have selected the HMO route and paid less. *Instead I selected
a Preferred Choice plan.

As opposed to paying your own way?

It is part of my compensation package.

Smirk.

There will always be an
additional "co-pay" to keep malingerers from overtaxing the system.

Doesn't seem to work that way in other countries.

But you're a class bigot who hates poor people, aren't you?

you really HAVE swallowed the GOP kool aid, haven't you? you don't
have control over your health care at all. your boss does. your
insurance company does.

As it stands now, I can change plans and I can change bosses.

And if you get sick or injured and can't work, you can't get any
plan, you can't get any job, and you and your family go broke.

Me? I keep myself employed. I make it a point to do so. I consider
it my "responsibility" to provide for myself and my family.

And what happens if you CANNOT work? What then?

So should I have a catastrophic injury or health event, I'm covered.

No, you're not. All the health plans limit payouts.

The leading cause of personal bankruptcies is medical emergencies.

And making health care free to everyone who doesn't work is going to
make it better for me who is paying the bills? How?

You are already paying for other people's health care. The medical
industry raises prices in order to cover the expense of treating those
who cannot pay.

Once again: Health care in the US costs about 50% PER PERSON than it
costs in any other industrial nation. Administrative overheads,
profits, and inefficiences drive up the cost of health care in the US.

--
Ray Fischer

On Sep 17, 10:13*pm, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 16, 8:39*am, wf3h wrote:
On Sep 15, 11:29*pm, wrote:

On Sep 15, 11:40*pm, wf3h wrote:

On Sep 15, 9:55*pm, wrote:

The truth of your free health care is that I get to pay for mine and I
get to pay for yours

which you do now. it's just more expensive now than it would be under
universal care.

I get first dibs at the doctors under the present system. *And why
shouldn't I? *I'm paying for it.

so you enjoy having average health care for inflated prices?

I enjoy paying my own way.

Even if it costs you half again as much.

Sucker.

Just like when I buy a car. *I could purchase a hundai or a lexus. *Is
anyone driving anything other than a hundai a sucker?

You pay for a Lexus and get a Hyundai.

It's my money. Yet you insist that I buy us both hyundais.

yep sounds republican.

Yeh, that whole, ummm, personal responsibility thingy really upsets
some folks.

If you're so in favor of "personal responsibility" then why don't you
insist on higher taxes?

Why don't you pay your taxes?

Such an intelligent response.

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Under the squirrels and the hawkes system, I pay for theirs and I pay
for mine, and some else says who gets dibs on appointments and
treatments.

never heard of an HMO did you? they tell you what doctors you'll go
to, what treatment they'll pay for, etc.

I could have selected the HMO route and paid less. *Instead I selected
a Preferred Choice plan.

As opposed to paying your own way?

It is part of my compensation package.

Smirk.

Some people even get a company car...

*There will always be an
additional "co-pay" to keep malingerers from overtaxing the system.

Doesn't seem to work that way in other countries.

Yet they still come here for services they can't get there.

But you're a class bigot who hates poor people, aren't you?

Is that what I am?

you really HAVE swallowed the GOP kool aid, haven't you? you don't
have control over your health care at all. your boss does. your
insurance company does.

As it stands now, I can change plans and I can change bosses.

And if you get sick or injured and can't work, you can't get any
plan, you can't get any job, and you and your family go broke.

Me? *I keep myself employed. *I make it a point to do so. *I consider
it my "responsibility" to provide for myself and my family.

And what happens if you CANNOT work? *What then?

Short term... sick leave, health insurance. Long term... workman's
compensation, medical retirement, medicare, savings.

So should I have a catastrophic injury or health event, I'm covered.

No, you're not. *All the health plans limit payouts.

And health care where there are double the number of folks covered
won't be limited? Wow! Where does all the money come from?

The leading cause of personal bankruptcies is medical emergencies.

And making health care free to everyone who doesn't work is going to
make it better for me who is paying the bills? *How?

You are already paying for other people's health care. *The medical
industry raises prices in order to cover the expense of treating those
who cannot pay.

Then what's the problem?

Once again: *Health care in the US costs about 50% PER PERSON than it
costs in any other industrial nation. *Administrative overheads,
profits, and inefficiences drive up the cost of health care in the US.

If it's 50% of what other countries pay then we're getting a deal.

--
Ray Fischer * * * *
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Cite?

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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Cite?

You know neocons - they like to make up facts to justify their
irrational agenda.

--
Ray Fischer

Ray Fischer wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.
Cite?

You know neocons - they like to make up facts to justify their
irrational agenda.


Can you define "neocon?"

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Cite?

You know neocons - they like to make up facts to justify their
irrational agenda.

--
Ray Fischer



You know liberal- they like to make up facts to justify their
irrational agenda.

On 18 Sep 2008 17:10:47 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Cite?

You know neocons - they like to make up facts to justify their
irrational agenda.


Neocons are Liberals?

Really?

Wow...

Gunner

On Sep 18, 11:24*am, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:50:25 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
Squirrely doesn't or at least says he won't be paying any under Obama.

Cite?

You have a bad memory?