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Pitbull Owners Blast Palin Comparison ‘Offensive,’ Dog Fanciers Complain Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who famously compared herself to a pitbull in her vice-presidential acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, appears to have antagonized a key voting bloc in the upcoming election, the nation's pitbull owners. While Gov. Palin's assertion that the only difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull was "lipstick" drew a loud ovation from the Republican faithful in St. Paul, it raised the ire of the Pitbull Anti-Defamation League, a powerful association of pitbull fanciers who monitor the portrayal of pitbulls in the media. "As someone who has owned pitbulls for the past twenty years, my jaw dropped," said Carol Foyler, the group's executive director. "Most of us are thinking the same thing: enough is enough." Ms. Foyler said that for pitbull owners who have grown weary of their prized dogs being defamed and mistreated, Gov. Palin's wisecrack was the last straw: "We're all like, first the Michael Vick thing, and now this." Tracy Klugian, an irate pitbull owner from Buffalo, New York, echoed Ms. Foyler's sentiments: "I can think of many differences between pitbulls and Gov. Palin - for starters, pitbulls don't try to get their ex-brothers-in-law fired." With Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill) and John McCain (R-Ariz) fighting for every last vote, a coveted voting bloc like pitbull owners could very well decide the 2008 election, political insiders believe. While Gov. Palin was not available for comment on the pitbull controversy, a spokesperson for the McCain-Palin ticket offered this official statement: "Gov. Palin does in fact have one thing in common with a pitbull: neither is capable of answering questions from reporters." From the wonderful Andy Borowitz www.andyborowitz.com |
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Why is every one of your post cross posted? Why not just post in sci.military.naval and leave rec.boats out of your trolling? Is this the kind of behavior Don and JimH approve of? |
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"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message . .. Why is every one of your post cross posted? Why not just post in sci.military.naval and leave rec.boats out of your trolling? Is this the kind of behavior Don and JimH approve of? Desperate people take desperate measures. Hairy and his minions are running scared. They suspect that Osamabama is not going to save them. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) So, *you* see nothing wrong with initiating a crossposted thread because it serves *your* interests? Why does that not surprise me? Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? |
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Lu Powell wrote:
"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message . .. Why is every one of your post cross posted? Why not just post in sci.military.naval and leave rec.boats out of your trolling? Is this the kind of behavior Don and JimH approve of? Desperate people take desperate measures. Hairy and his minions are running scared. They suspect that Osamabama is not going to save them. Got any nice, detailed photos of your boat you'll post here? |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) So, *you* see nothing wrong with initiating a crossposted thread because it serves *your* interests? Why does that not surprise me? Eisboch My interests? You sound like you think this is a boating newsgroup. It isn't, and you know it. If you can stomach it, read through the last few hundred posts of Reggie, and enlighten us as to how many of them revealed any details about his boat or anything out of the purely ordinary he knows about boats and boating. Go ahead, make my day. And then do that with the rest of the Little Schitts. This is an open forum here. It could use some new blood. |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I found the cockpit control station very useful on my 25' Parker when docking and considerably less useful but still usable when underway ahead. I can say a lot more about that subject and how they work on different boats, but...I won't. |
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On Sep 7, 4:55*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? *:) Well, the title does still say "rec.boats" and not "political. hack.finger" Sure it's a boating group, as long as people talk boating And that can still be arranged.. |
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On Sep 7, 5:26*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. * I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I've never had a boat with a secondary control station. But I suppose that's ok, too. |
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"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I found the cockpit control station very useful on my 25' Parker when docking and considerably less useful but still usable when underway ahead. I can say a lot more about that subject and how they work on different boats, but...I won't. It *is* on topic. Fire away. Eisboch |
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Tim wrote:
On Sep 7, 4:55 pm, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) Well, the title does still say "rec.boats" and not "political. hack.finger" Sure it's a boating group, as long as people talk boating And that can still be arranged.. what the title sez and what is discussed here are not the same. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I found the cockpit control station very useful on my 25' Parker when docking and considerably less useful but still usable when underway ahead. I can say a lot more about that subject and how they work on different boats, but...I won't. It *is* on topic. Fire away. Eisboch As soon as you post some nice detailed photos of your new boat. Fire away. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... No apparent naval content. Vaughn |
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"hk" wrote in message . .. Lu Powell wrote: "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message . .. Why is every one of your post cross posted? Why not just post in sci.military.naval and leave rec.boats out of your trolling? Is this the kind of behavior Don and JimH approve of? Desperate people take desperate measures. Hairy and his minions are running scared. They suspect that Osamabama is not going to save them. Got any nice, detailed photos of your boat you'll post here? I do, though I wouldn't want to have your Parker be outclassed. |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? I've never owned a boat with secondary controls other than upper/lower helm stations but you see quite a few serious fishing boats with controls in the cockpit. I'm guessing that they find it useful for backing down on a large fish when there are only a couple of guys on board. There are also some motor yachts which have very poor visibility aft and I would certainly want a second set of controls for backing into a slip. Regarding our friend HK, I think we both know that he has *no* interest in discussing boats other than his own. There is plenty of evidence to support that conclusion. |
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Lu Powell wrote:
"hk" wrote in message . .. Lu Powell wrote: "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in message . .. Why is every one of your post cross posted? Why not just post in sci.military.naval and leave rec.boats out of your trolling? Is this the kind of behavior Don and JimH approve of? Desperate people take desperate measures. Hairy and his minions are running scared. They suspect that Osamabama is not going to save them. Got any nice, detailed photos of your boat you'll post here? I do, though I wouldn't want to have your Parker be outclassed. My Parker is nothing more than a simple fishing boat. I have better, but the Parker serves its purpose well. Go ahead, post those detailed photos. |
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WaIIy wrote:
On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:35:09 -0400, hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message . .. Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I found the cockpit control station very useful on my 25' Parker when docking and considerably less useful but still usable when underway ahead. I can say a lot more about that subject and how they work on different boats, but...I can't because I don't have a clue. Classy as always, d.f. Plan to post detailed photos of that boat of yours? I didn't think so. |
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hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) Really having a bad day Harry? How was the boating? Or did the planning fall through? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? I've never owned a boat with secondary controls other than upper/lower helm stations but you see quite a few serious fishing boats with controls in the cockpit. I'm guessing that they find it useful for backing down on a large fish when there are only a couple of guys on board. There are also some motor yachts which have very poor visibility aft and I would certainly want a second set of controls for backing into a slip. The Navigator we had was a perfect candidate for another set of controls. In fact, if I had kept it and did more traveling in it, I probably would have had a set installed on the rear of the flybridge .... on the section that overhung the cockpit. I had absolutely no visibility of the back of the boat from the upper station. I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the transmissions and engine throttles. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:37:00 -0400, WaIIy wrote:
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:15:08 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Why are you originating new threads and cross posting? I can understand getting wrapped up in a cross post once in a while, usually because one neglects to notice the groups in the header. But, starting a new thread and purposely cross posting it is basically giving everyone here the finger. Is *that* what you intended? Eisboch As I stated, this is no longer a boating discussion group, so what's wrong with a little new blood? Are you a snob? :) So, *you* see nothing wrong with initiating a crossposted thread because it serves *your* interests? Why does that not surprise me? Eisboch If you take in a snake and you get bitten, that's what they do. Now *that's* the best comment of the day! |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message ... Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I have a secondary control station mounted towards the stern. Her name is Sandy. |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the transmissions and engine throttles. Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing boats with dual controls in the cockpit. |
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"John H" wrote in message . com... On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I have a secondary control station mounted towards the stern. Her name is Sandy. Heh. I had the same, except her name was Mrs.E. As I mentioned before, the Navigator had absolutely no visibility of the rear of the boat from the upper (flybridge) station. So, when backing into a slip, particularly one I was not familiar with, she would stand in the back of the cockpit with her arms held up above her head. I could just see her hands. As I backed the boat in, she would direct me by pointing in the direction the back of the boat had to move in order to get into the slip without hitting a dock or another boat. That boat had a fairly wide beam at over 15'. The slip we first had for it (in Scituate) had finger slips on each side. When the boat was in the slip, there was six inches of space between the hull and the slip on each side. On windy days, it made it a bit interesting getting it backed in. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:59:15 -0400, John H wrote:
I have a secondary control station mounted towards the stern. Her name is Sandy. Isn't that called a command bridge ? |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the transmissions and engine throttles. Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing boats with dual controls in the cockpit. This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like. I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator. So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a "4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we also had the 36 GB). Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like better than the one we had. But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip. Something to think about this winter, I guess. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .com... On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:26:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message om... Got any nice detailed photos of your new boat you can post? Yup. I can .... but I won't. Let's talk about boats. What do you think about secondary control stations located in the cockpit area? Do you find them useful, Harry? Eisboch I have a secondary control station mounted towards the stern. Her name is Sandy. Heh. I had the same, except her name was Mrs.E. As I mentioned before, the Navigator had absolutely no visibility of the rear of the boat from the upper (flybridge) station. So, when backing into a slip, particularly one I was not familiar with, she would stand in the back of the cockpit with her arms held up above her head. I could just see her hands. As I backed the boat in, she would direct me by pointing in the direction the back of the boat had to move in order to get into the slip without hitting a dock or another boat. That boat had a fairly wide beam at over 15'. The slip we first had for it (in Scituate) had finger slips on each side. When the boat was in the slip, there was six inches of space between the hull and the slip on each side. On windy days, it made it a bit interesting getting it backed in. Eisboch We go through that process with the trailer. The first couple times there was a lot of yelling, directed at me. Now we have a deal. She doesn't talk, only hand signals. Works pretty well. I've never tried to pilot a boat larger than my 21' Proline. I'll probably go to my deathbed never having done so. It's probably just as well. |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:05:42 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:59:15 -0400, John H wrote: I have a secondary control station mounted towards the stern. Her name is Sandy. Isn't that called a command bridge ? Yeah. LOL. |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the transmissions and engine throttles. Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing boats with dual controls in the cockpit. This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like. I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator. So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a "4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we also had the 36 GB). Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like better than the one we had. But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip. Something to think about this winter, I guess. Eisboch You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah......... You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just purchased......... You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it........... No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the (reportedly successfull) company you owned? How do you make decisions? |
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"John H" wrote in message ... I've never tried to pilot a boat larger than my 21' Proline. I'll probably go to my deathbed never having done so. It's probably just as well. Don't underestimate yourself. In many ways, piloting, docking and close quarter maneuvering of a twin screw, 52 foot boat with diesel engines and big props is easier than a 21', outboard powered open boat, particularly in wind or current. It just causes more damage if you hit something. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:15:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:47:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I wouldn't bother with a helm. I'd just have controls for the transmissions and engine throttles. Yes, that all you really need, and all that you see on sportfishing boats with dual controls in the cockpit. This subject is of interest to me because I am seriously thinking of another boat. The one I bought is ok, but it's not what I really want or like. I've searched high and low, looking at different boats, styles, performance criteria, features, etc. and for some reason nothing really satisfies my personal interests. Then, I realized why. Every boat I consider, I am subconsciously comparing it to the Navigator. So, maybe the thing to do is to get another Navigator. The one I had was a "4800 Classic" which is 52'8" LOA. It was a bit too big to easily single-hand, which is the main reason we sold it. (Plus, at the time, we also had the 36 GB). Navigator also makes a 44' version that has a layout that I actually like better than the one we had. But first, I have to try to sell the Mainship to free up the slip. Something to think about this winter, I guess. Eisboch You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah......... You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just purchased......... You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it........... No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the (reportedly successfull) company you owned? How do you make decisions? Taint yur business. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... You don't like Sarah, you like Saeah, you don't like Sarah......... You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just purchased......... You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it........... No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the (reportedly successfull) company you owned? How do you make decisions? It's life's experiences in process. I have no trouble making decisions. Some turn out to be wrong, some right. Eisboch |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:42:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message .. . You don't like Sarah, you like Sarah, you don't like Sarah......... You like the boat you just purchased, you don't like the boat you just purchased......... You sold a boat you liked, youi now regret it........... No offense but a fair question......who made major decicions at the (reportedly successfull) company you owned? How do you make decisions? It's life's experiences in process. I have no trouble making decisions. Some turn out to be wrong, some right. Eisboch Fair enough. BTW......Sarah seems like the real thing. ;-) |
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On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:29:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . I've never tried to pilot a boat larger than my 21' Proline. I'll probably go to my deathbed never having done so. It's probably just as well. Don't underestimate yourself. In many ways, piloting, docking and close quarter maneuvering of a twin screw, 52 foot boat with diesel engines and big props is easier than a 21', outboard powered open boat, particularly in wind or current. It just causes more damage if you hit something. Eisboch Amen. |
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Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who famously compared herself to a pitbull in her vice-presidential acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, appears to have antagonized a key voting bloc in the upcoming election, the nation's pitbull owners. From a story in National Lampoon, ca. 1974, set in a nightclub with a decadence theme: "He dances like a spastic!" "I resent that!" said a spastic. Dennis |
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HK wrote : Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, who famously compared herself to a pitbull in her vice-presidential acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention, appears to have antagonized a key voting bloc in the upcoming election, the nation's pitbull owners. From a story in National Lampoon, ca. 1974, set in a nightclub with a decadence theme: "He dances like a spastic!" "I resent that!" said a spastic. Dennis "She sounds like a shrew!" "But...she doesn't *look* shrewish." |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:36:13 -0400, hk wrote:
I have better We eagerly await the pictures so we can properly critique it. I ran across this one in Crisfield, MD last September and thought it might be something like yours: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1724/dscn1373ui0.jpg |
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