Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Tricky stuff.
I usually let out the loud, commanding shout like you did, but I may
have just called 911 instead. Getting too old to have my heart
racing.

--Vic

You've got that right. I have a shotgun that I keep locked up in the
house. Never used it.
Bought it in Florida after finding a huge rattlesnake at our front door.

As I hid behind the tree I was thinking about it, and the cell phone I had
left on the table in the house.
I am glad I didn't think about taking the shotgun. I'd probably be in the
hospital right now.

I think if I awoke and discovered someone *in* our house, I'd probably use
it.

Eisboch


You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your house
if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family member. I'm
not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor trespasser.

You are entitled to use the gun anytime you have a reasonable fear of
death or great bodily harm, and no good non lethal option seems
available. You don't necessarily shoot to protect the TV, lf you tell
him to put it down, and he reaches for a gun... Get a shotgun.

Casady


As you say, it has to be a reasonable fear of personal injury or death.

Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.

hk wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


Tricky stuff.
I usually let out the loud, commanding shout like you did, but I may
have just called 911 instead. Getting too old to have my heart
racing.

--Vic

You've got that right. I have a shotgun that I keep locked up in
the house. Never used it.
Bought it in Florida after finding a huge rattlesnake at our front
door.

As I hid behind the tree I was thinking about it, and the cell phone
I had left on the table in the house.
I am glad I didn't think about taking the shotgun. I'd probably be
in the hospital right now.

I think if I awoke and discovered someone *in* our house, I'd
probably use it.

Eisboch

You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your
house if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family
member. I'm not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor
trespasser.

You are entitled to use the gun anytime you have a reasonable fear of
death or great bodily harm, and no good non lethal option seems
available. You don't necessarily shoot to protect the TV, lf you tell
him to put it down, and he reaches for a gun... Get a shotgun.

Casady


As you say, it has to be a reasonable fear of personal injury or death.

Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.

What did the sheriff says about pinning the guy against the garage wall
and breaking his legs with your F-150?

On Aug 31, 8:26*am, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Tricky stuff.
I usually let out the loud, commanding shout like you did, but I may
have just called 911 instead. *Getting too old to have my heart
racing.

--Vic

You've got that right. * I have a shotgun that I keep locked up in
the house. *Never used it.
Bought it in Florida after finding a huge rattlesnake at our front
door.

As I hid behind the tree I was thinking about it, and the cell phone
I had left on the table in the house.
I am glad I didn't think about taking the shotgun. *I'd probably be
in the hospital right now.

I think if I awoke and discovered someone *in* our house, I'd
probably use it.

Eisboch

You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your
house if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family
member. I'm not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor
trespasser.

You are entitled to use the gun anytime you have a reasonable fear of
death or great bodily harm, and no good non lethal option seems
available. You don't necessarily shoot to protect the TV, lf you tell
him to put it down, and he reaches for a gun... *Get a shotgun.

Casady

As you say, it has to be a reasonable fear of personal injury or death.

Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.

What did the sheriff says about pinning the guy against the garage wall
and breaking his legs with your F-150?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The conv never happened.. it was a Harrytale, that's why he won't
address it again..

On Aug 30, 9:53*am, hk wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:38:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:52:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Tricky stuff.
I usually let out the loud, commanding shout like you did, but I may
have just called 911 instead. *Getting too old to have my heart
racing.

--Vic

You've got that right. * I have a shotgun that I keep locked up in the
house. *Never used it.
Bought it in Florida after finding a huge rattlesnake at our front door.

As I hid behind the tree I was thinking about it, and the cell phone I had
left on the table in the house.
I am glad I didn't think about taking the shotgun. *I'd probably be in the
hospital right now.

I think if I awoke and discovered someone *in* our house, I'd probably use
it.

Eisboch

You have no duty under the laws of your state to retreat in your house
if you think an intruder is going to harm you or a family member. I'm
not sure you would get the same pass for an outdoor trespasser.

You are entitled to use the gun anytime you have a reasonable fear of
death or great bodily harm, and no good non lethal option seems
available. You don't necessarily shoot to protect the TV, lf you tell
him to put it down, and he reaches for a gun... *Get a shotgun.

Casady

As you say, it has to be a reasonable fear of personal injury or death.

Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..

wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:

Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..


Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.

Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.

If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.

On Aug 31, 9:59*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.

When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..

Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.

Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.

If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wafa.. but anyway, for the benefit of those who are not totally full
of ****....

He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...

wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:


He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...


So your upstairs bedrooms are "safe areas," eh? Idiot.

wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.
When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..
Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.

Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.

If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Wafa.. but anyway, for the benefit of those who are not totally full
of ****....

He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...

Just,
Have you ever wondered why Harry seems so obsessed with you?

On Aug 31, 10:21*am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.

wrote:
On Aug 31, 10:21 am, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 31, 9:59 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 30, 9:53 am, hk wrote:
Someone breaking into your outdoor barn when no one is in it might just
be a thief or trespasser. I'm not sure in my state or any other
progressive state with "castle doctrine" that you would get away with
shooting a trespasser simply on your property or breaking into a barn.
This isn't Texas, after all.
When I discussed a threat we had received with our local sheriff, he was
very clear that I couldn't legally just shoot at the "perp" if he was on
the property, but he was equally clear that if the "perp" busted in the
door or even tried to do so, I could blow the idiot away with my 12
gauge. When I asked about "retreat," the sheriff said, "Retreat to
where? A bedroom?" and then he laughed.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, then your sherrif is a ****ing idiot... A friend teaches a course
on handguns and specifically when to use "deadly force" and one of the
main things is to retreat to a safe area and warn the perp, if he
comes that way..
Tell us, oh highly educated and experienced man of the world, just what
*is* a "safe area" in a modern frame house? In a bedroom behind a hollow
core door? In most modern houses, even a short little schitt like you
could kick open an interior door in about five seconds.
Unless you have a hardened "safe room" in your house, there is no "safe"
area.
If someone has busted in my front door, he is going to be face to face
with the flash of a 12 gauge shotgun.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wafa.. but anyway, for the benefit of those who are not totally full
of ****....
He said since out bedrooms were upstairs we should take cover up there
and yell down that 911 had been called, all of the valuables like tv
and such were down there and if they came up the stairs, they would be
met with deadly force... I won't bother with your response as my is
true, yours is obviously based on some Lobsta' boat fantasy. You don't
go chasing a burglar, most don't have guns anyway and are counting on
getting in and out without detection... Once "detected" they will
usually run like hell...
Just,
Have you ever wondered why Harry seems so obsessed with you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, it's pretty easy.. He is a cowardly little bitch, and sees what
he thinks is an easy target... It's the mark of a pussy..

WAFA isn't a pussy. He's got a disease that affects his mind and
personality. If Hazel *was* a doctor she would be treating and
monitoring his behavior.