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OK, lets try for some real info this time and no insults. Do so-
called offshore boats really have good scuppers? Can anybody provide
a link to a pic of such?
Next, areas below the deck, are they sealed on offshore boats or
accessible via a hatch? How much do said hatches leak? (my sealed
compartments have 6" screw in type access ports).
By that controversial Florida fellow:

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/sinking.htm

Eisboch
I like Pasco. Interesting that he says to seal up scuppers if they
are too low and rely on bilge pumps.

In the pic he gave, the scupper was even with the cockpit sole, so why
have a bilge pump? Where is the pump pumping if the deck is supposed
to be sealed?

I looked over the Tolman last night, adding a deck would be no
problem. Even big scuppers would not be too difficult. I sure hate
losing access to my hull though.


In my opinion, bilge pumps are not for getting rid of water from a
greenie. They are for getting rid of water due to rain, condensation,
dripping shaft seals, etc.

Scuppers are for getting rid of greenie water ... in a hurry.

Eisboch

On some poorly constructed (or damaged) fiberglass boats, the joint
between the hull and the side decks is not done well, and water can get
in. If the hull is the typical cheap two-piecer with liner, that water
likely will run down between the outer hull and the liner, right into the
bilge.

I've also seen boats, though not in some time, where "grey water" drained
into the bilge.

I can think of at least a half dozen other reasons why water gets into the
bilge.



Mostly rain, I think, and the constant drip, drip, drip of the old style,
wax thread sealed stuffing box for the shafts and rudders. (Obviously not
talking about small, CC, outboards).

Also, deck hatches leak, windows leak, and, as you say, the hull/deck joint
often leaks.

Eisboch

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On Aug 19, 9:58 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
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OK, lets try for some real info this time and no insults. Do so-
called offshore boats really have good scuppers? Can anybody provide
a link to a pic of such?
Next, areas below the deck, are they sealed on offshore boats or
accessible via a hatch? How much do said hatches leak? (my sealed
compartments have 6" screw in type access ports).
By that controversial Florida fellow:

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/sinking.htm

Eisboch
I like Pasco. Interesting that he says to seal up scuppers if they
are too low and rely on bilge pumps.

In the pic he gave, the scupper was even with the cockpit sole, so why
have a bilge pump? Where is the pump pumping if the deck is supposed
to be sealed?

I looked over the Tolman last night, adding a deck would be no
problem. Even big scuppers would not be too difficult. I sure hate
losing access to my hull though.

In my opinion, bilge pumps are not for getting rid of water from a
greenie. They are for getting rid of water due to rain, condensation,
dripping shaft seals, etc.

Scuppers are for getting rid of greenie water ... in a hurry.

Eisboch
On some poorly constructed (or damaged) fiberglass boats, the joint
between the hull and the side decks is not done well, and water can get
in. If the hull is the typical cheap two-piecer with liner, that water
likely will run down between the outer hull and the liner, right into the
bilge.

I've also seen boats, though not in some time, where "grey water" drained
into the bilge.

I can think of at least a half dozen other reasons why water gets into the
bilge.



Mostly rain, I think, and the constant drip, drip, drip of the old style,
wax thread sealed stuffing box for the shafts and rudders. (Obviously not
talking about small, CC, outboards).

Also, deck hatches leak, windows leak, and, as you say, the hull/deck joint
often leaks.

Eisboch




When I remember, I pour a gallon of water and a bit of Simple Green
into the bilge of Yo Ho before I head out. The soup sloshes around for a
while. When I retrieve the boat, I open the transom drain and what the
bilge pump hasn't gotten rid of drips out.





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I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

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When I remember, I pour a gallon of water and a bit of Simple Green into
the bilge of Yo Ho before I head out. The soup sloshes around for a while.
When I retrieve the boat, I open the transom drain and what the bilge pump
hasn't gotten rid of drips out.



We have all types of boaters here. I do the same thing, except I drag a
water hose inside the boat, open a hatch over the lowest part of the hull,
dump some Simple Green or bilge cleaner in, then let the hose run for about
15 minutes until one of the bilge pumps turns on automatically.

To really rid the bilge of almost all water, I have to either pump it back
out by hand or take the boat out, trim to a proper angle and run the aft
bilge pump.

Hauling and draining isn't an option.

Eisboch