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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:25:56 GMT, Buzzihd Beah wrote: In article , Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:17:37 GMT, Buzzihd Beah wrote: Gentlemen, Say I want to make sure my boat does not sink even if it's full of water. It weighs 4330 pounds. Does that mean I have to add about two cubic meters of foam somewhere? There isn't enough space for that much. Or can I somehow take into account the buoyancies of fiberglass, fuel tank, engine, and all the other stuff? Is there a method to calculate things like that? Yep - ABYC H-5 (Capacity) and ABYC H-8 (Swamped Bouyancy). What you want is ABYC H-8. H-8.7.2 Calculations - Basic Flotation H-8.7.2.1 Perform the following steps to calculate the volume of flotation material required to support the swamped boat (Fb), the submerged propulsion equipment (Fp), the persons capacity (Fc1), and the dead weight (Fc2). H-8.7.2.1.1 Step 1: Determine the flotation needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Formula: Fb = (Wh x K1 + Wd x K2 + .69 We) ÷ B Where Wh = dry weight of hull, i.e., everything below swamped water line Wd = dry weight of deck and superstructure We = dry weight of factory installed equipment, hardware, and accessories K1 and K2 = conversion factors for materials B = buoyancy of flotation material in pounds per cubic foot EXAMPLE Calculate the flotation material needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Assume Wh = weight of hull (fiberglass) = 600 lbs. Wd = weight of deck and superstructure (plywood) = 120 lbs. We = weight of equipment, hardware and accessories = 50 lbs. Fb = ((Wh x K1) + (Wd x K2) + (0.69 x 50)) ÷ B Fb =((600x0.33)+ (120x-0.81) + 0.69x50)) ÷ 60.4* Fb = (198 - 97.2 + 34.5) ÷ 60.4 Fb = 135.3 ÷ 60.4 Fb = 2.24 cu. ft. However, depending on how old your boat is (and/or how big) CG regulations require level floatation. Yes! This is what I was looking for. Thanks! The boat is 1988. I doubt level flotation is an option - there isn't almost any space around the engine to fill with foam. Get some 4" sheets of closed cell and put it on the outside of the transom, make a nice back rest for the swim platform Couldn't hurt... Oi! Oi! Oi! |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:30:10 GMT, Buzzihd Beah
wrote: The only "flotation device" is the 160 gal fuel tank (if I'd keep it nearly empty). The other possible one is the toilet, if I'd make a new door and find a way to seal it. You would need some attention to avoiding simple hydrostatic crush. Casady |
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"Buzzihd Beah" wrote in message ... In article , Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:17:37 GMT, Buzzihd Beah wrote: Gentlemen, Say I want to make sure my boat does not sink even if it's full of water. It weighs 4330 pounds. Does that mean I have to add about two cubic meters of foam somewhere? There isn't enough space for that much. Or can I somehow take into account the buoyancies of fiberglass, fuel tank, engine, and all the other stuff? Is there a method to calculate things like that? Yep - ABYC H-5 (Capacity) and ABYC H-8 (Swamped Bouyancy). What you want is ABYC H-8. H-8.7.2 Calculations - Basic Flotation H-8.7.2.1 Perform the following steps to calculate the volume of flotation material required to support the swamped boat (Fb), the submerged propulsion equipment (Fp), the persons capacity (Fc1), and the dead weight (Fc2). H-8.7.2.1.1 Step 1: Determine the flotation needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Formula: Fb = (Wh x K1 + Wd x K2 + .69 We) ÷ B Where Wh = dry weight of hull, i.e., everything below swamped water line Wd = dry weight of deck and superstructure We = dry weight of factory installed equipment, hardware, and accessories K1 and K2 = conversion factors for materials B = buoyancy of flotation material in pounds per cubic foot EXAMPLE Calculate the flotation material needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Assume Wh = weight of hull (fiberglass) = 600 lbs. Wd = weight of deck and superstructure (plywood) = 120 lbs. We = weight of equipment, hardware and accessories = 50 lbs. Fb = ((Wh x K1) + (Wd x K2) + (0.69 x 50)) ÷ B Fb =((600x0.33)+ (120x-0.81) + 0.69x50)) ÷ 60.4* Fb = (198 - 97.2 + 34.5) ÷ 60.4 Fb = 135.3 ÷ 60.4 Fb = 2.24 cu. ft. However, depending on how old your boat is (and/or how big) CG regulations require level floatation. Yes! This is what I was looking for. Thanks! The boat is 1988. I doubt level flotation is an option - there isn't almost any space around the engine to fill with foam. Level floatation is only required in 20' and under boats. |
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On Aug 19, 5:55*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Buzzihd Beah" wrote in message ... In article , Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:17:37 GMT, Buzzihd Beah wrote: Gentlemen, Say I want to make sure my boat does not sink even if it's full of water. It weighs 4330 pounds. Does that mean I have to add about two cubic meters of foam somewhere? There isn't enough space for that much. Or can I somehow take into account the buoyancies of fiberglass, *fuel tank, engine, and all the other stuff? Is there a method to calculate things like that? Yep - ABYC H-5 (Capacity) and ABYC H-8 (Swamped Bouyancy). What you want is ABYC H-8. H-8.7.2 Calculations - Basic Flotation H-8.7.2.1 Perform the following steps to calculate the volume of flotation material required to support the swamped boat (Fb), the submerged propulsion equipment (Fp), the persons capacity (Fc1), and the dead weight (Fc2). H-8.7.2.1.1 Step 1: Determine the flotation needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Formula: Fb = (Wh x K1 + Wd x K2 + .69 We) ÷ B Where Wh = dry weight of hull, i.e., everything below swamped water line Wd = dry weight of deck and superstructure We = dry weight of factory installed equipment, hardware, and accessories K1 and K2 = conversion factors for materials B = buoyancy of flotation material in pounds per cubic foot EXAMPLE Calculate the flotation material needed to support the swamped boat (Fb). Assume Wh = weight of hull (fiberglass) = 600 lbs. Wd = weight of deck and superstructure (plywood) = 120 lbs. We = weight of equipment, hardware and accessories = 50 lbs. Fb = ((Wh x K1) + (Wd x K2) + (0.69 x 50)) ÷ B Fb =((600x0.33)+ (120x-0.81) + 0.69x50)) ÷ 60.4* Fb = (198 - 97.2 + 34.5) ÷ 60.4 Fb = 135.3 ÷ 60.4 Fb = 2.24 cu. ft. However, depending on how old your boat is (and/or how big) CG regulations require level floatation. Yes! This is what I was looking for. Thanks! The boat is 1988. I doubt level flotation is an option - there isn't almost any space around the engine to fill with foam. Level floatation is only required in 20' and under boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I noted that earlier, but in a Toleman, or even a Simmons Skiff, I would suggest getting as close as possible to it.. |
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