On Aug 17, 2:25*pm, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:29:09 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Yesterday, i was at St. Andrews State PArk near Panama City, FL siting
on the jetty watching boats going in and out between the jetties. *The
tide was going out with s little wind opposing it so there was a good
chop in the channel. *It was a great venue for watching how boats are
handled in chop.
About 1/4 of the boats were clearly going too fast for conditions and
eventually they would pound too hard and slow down. *About 1/4 were
going too slow and were wallowing in the deep chop. *What did amaze me
was the number of small boats with transoms cut away so much that if
they slowed down their own wake would swamp them. *These boats had
transom tops only inches from the water and seemed to have no business
in such chop.
My Tolman is the first power boat I have ever driven so I have no
other basis for comparison. *What degree of pounding is acceptable?

You still thinking about doing a Bahamas trip with the Tolman?
From your previous posts, I'm guessing the Tolman has been only
in the river. *Are you thinking about taking it to some chop to get a
feel on its handling?
I've given some thought to how I would test what is "safe water" if I
get a Carolina Skiff, especially since my boat handing experience is
limited. *I've got a feeling that it will happen naturally, since I
really don't want to go looking for trouble. *More that I don't want a
10 grand motor dunked in salt water than anything else.
But if you've been motoring the Tolman only in calm waters and plan to
take it to the Bahamas, maybe a little "testing" is in order.

--Vic

Indeed, he ought to get some experience on the mighty waters of Lake
Lanier.- Hide quoted text -

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LMAO!!!!!!
No, Lake Erie. If he wants to test the " pounding capabilities " of
his Tolman...that'd be the place.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:21 -0400, hk wrote:

Parker's solid fir plywood stringer system continues to give
customers the strongest, toughest and safest fiberglass boats built.

~~ snerk~~

Plywood stringers indeed. At least they're not chip board.


Parker and Grady use the same XL ply stringer material, as do many other
manufacturers of top-quality boats. What are the stringers made of in
your floating RV?

Probably solid teak, everything else is.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:21 -0400, hk wrote:

Parker's solid fir plywood stringer system continues to give
customers the strongest, toughest and safest fiberglass boats built.
~~ snerk~~

Plywood stringers indeed. At least they're not chip board.

Parker and Grady use the same XL ply stringer material, as do many other
manufacturers of top-quality boats. What are the stringers made of in
your floating RV?

Probably solid teak, everything else is.



How very special, but, then, everything about that overstuffed old
floating RV is, right?

RMR wrote:
Nice troll. but I am not biting, everyone knows you are full of
bull....

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:08:04 -0400, hk wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:52:20 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:35:08 -0400, hk wrote:

You are assuming the home builder knows what he is doing. I would bet
against that much of the time.
It's my "impression" they usually do.
Guys who work on cars are a different story.
Beware of ads like this"
1974 Camaro $2600
Rebuilt engine and trans.
Lots of extra parts thrown in for free.
I think Harry may actually be onto something.

Homebuilders are homebuilders.... and I see a lot of homebuilt
aircraft built in the most meticulous way.... poorly. These builders
think and feel that they are building with the highest quality
possible and with the utmost attention to detail and craftsmanship.

Feeling that one knows what they are doing and really KNOWING what
they are doing may not always appear in the same place...... best
intentions notwithstanding.

I see a considerable number of "boats under construction" by amateurs
who live near the shoreline. The majority are destined to become useless
- or worse - dangerous hulks. On the other hand, I have seen some nice
"homebrew" restorations of boats worth restoring.


Fascinating. Are you claiming that there are *not* a goodly number of
homebrew boat builders who do not know what they are doing and as a
result build builts that are useless or dangerous? Or are you claiming
there are not some homebrew boat restorations that turn out nicely?

:)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:21:19 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:52:20 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:35:08 -0400, hk wrote:


You are assuming the home builder knows what he is doing. I would bet
against that much of the time.

It's my "impression" they usually do.
Guys who work on cars are a different story.
Beware of ads like this"
1974 Camaro $2600
Rebuilt engine and trans.
Lots of extra parts thrown in for free.

I think Harry may actually be onto something.

Homebuilders are homebuilders.... and I see a lot of homebuilt
aircraft built in the most meticulous way.... poorly. These builders
think and feel that they are building with the highest quality
possible and with the utmost attention to detail and craftsmanship.

Feeling that one knows what they are doing and really KNOWING what
they are doing may not always appear in the same place...... best
intentions notwithstanding.

I won't argue about the difference in building planes and boats, since
I've done neither. It is my impression that building a boat like the
Tolman requires mostly the ability to lay on glass/resin/epoxy
properly, some basic woodworking skills, and the desire and patience
to do it all correctly . I have no doubt I could make a sturdy and
seaworthy boat if I went at it, since many have done them and they are
being used. Probably take me 5 times longer or more than justwait.
Know absolutely nothing about homebuilt planes. I figure for every
one made a few thousand boats are made.
But I won't challenge what you say - that's for the boatbuilders to
do, and none have here.
In general I agree with you about the DIYer.
Most should have hired the job done by a pro.
I remember a few occasions when househunting where a proud owner
would show me the basement he had "finished."
The design and/or materials and/or joinery and/or esthetics would
strike me all wrong, and I'd be saying "Nice," but thinking
"Crap. Why did he do this? If I buy this house I'm going to have to
tear all this out."
OTOH, I've seen real nice jobs done by DIYer's, and factory crap.

--Vic

On Aug 18, 12:30*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:21 -0400, hk wrote:
Parker's solid fir plywood stringer system continues to give
customers the strongest, toughest and safest fiberglass boats built.

~~ snerk~~

Plywood stringers indeed. *At least they're not chip board.

Parker and Grady use the same XL ply stringer material, as do many other
manufacturers of top-quality boats. What are the stringers made of in
your floating RV?

Probably solid teak, everything else is.


There was a 60 some foot GB docked alongside the Yacht Club on the
River this weekend. Looked like a planked teak transom on a
fiberglass hull.

Nice looking boat.

JimH wrote:
On Aug 18, 12:30 am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:21 -0400, hk wrote:
Parker's solid fir plywood stringer system continues to give
customers the strongest, toughest and safest fiberglass boats built.
~~ snerk~~
Plywood stringers indeed. At least they're not chip board.
Parker and Grady use the same XL ply stringer material, as do many other
manufacturers of top-quality boats. What are the stringers made of in
your floating RV?
Probably solid teak, everything else is.


There was a 60 some foot GB docked alongside the Yacht Club on the
River this weekend. Looked like a planked teak transom on a
fiberglass hull.

Nice looking boat.


Which goes to show how subjective taste is. I've never liked teak on a
boat. On the exterior, I always preferred mahogany, the real stuff, not
the crap that is sold most often these days as mahogany. In a cabin, I
pretty cherry or oak.

--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0400, hk wrote:


Which goes to show how subjective taste is. I've never liked teak on a
boat. On the exterior, I always preferred mahogany, the real stuff, not
the crap that is sold most often these days as mahogany. In a cabin, I
pretty cherry or oak.

After maintaining hardwoods for many years, when I see a beautifully
finished grain I think.......can I get this in a non-scratch plastic?
Yep, taste is subjective, and changing.

--Vic

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0400, hk wrote:


Which goes to show how subjective taste is. I've never liked teak on a
boat. On the exterior, I always preferred mahogany, the real stuff, not
the crap that is sold most often these days as mahogany. In a cabin, I
pretty cherry or oak.



I guess the boys over at American Marine Ltd. never got your memo.


Eisboch

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:15:32 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0400, hk wrote:


Which goes to show how subjective taste is. I've never liked teak on a
boat. On the exterior, I always preferred mahogany, the real stuff, not
the crap that is sold most often these days as mahogany. In a cabin, I
pretty cherry or oak.

After maintaining hardwoods for many years, when I see a beautifully
finished grain I think.......can I get this in a non-scratch plastic?
Yep, taste is subjective, and changing.

That was wrong actually. I wouldn't get a wood grain in plastic.
I like "light" which might be because my eyes aren't as good as they
once were. Besides the maintenance issues, dark woods don't
lend themselves to bright atmospheres, which is my preference now.
Think formica. Or whatever.

--Vic