"hk" wrote in message
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What's your point here, W'hine, that *I* should like Formica as an
interior material on boats because you and Bertram like it?

Told you, I don't like the material on boats. I prefer real wood trim and
paneling, not Formica.




Then you would *really* like his GB.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
What's your point here, W'hine, that *I* should like Formica as an
interior material on boats because you and Bertram like it?

Told you, I don't like the material on boats. I prefer real wood trim and
paneling, not Formica.




Then you would *really* like his GB.

Eisboch


Actually, no. Too big. You guys act as if I have never seen a GB or
been aboard one. There are lots of them here on the Bay, and I've been
aboard several over the years. I simply don't like the larger ones. I do
like the one you had, though...the smaller one.


--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:37 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:47:06 -0400, hk wrote:

Formica is just a plasticized coating over paper. It's certainly ok for
a kitchen, but on a boat, I'd want something not paper-backed.

I have been sawing, drilling, sanding, grinding Formica for more than
fifty years and I have never seen a hint of any paper. You must have
another product in mind.

Casady


The underside of Formica is made up of kraft paper infused with resin.

According to the Formica web site, the product is composed of
"melamine-impregnated decorative surface paper combined with
phenolic-treated kraft paper and consolidated
in a press at high pressures."

I have Formica in mind.

OK. The paper wasn't evident when I sawed, drilled etc the stuff. I
believe you when you say the paper is there, but I never noticed.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:07:37 -0400, hk wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:47:06 -0400, hk wrote:

Formica is just a plasticized coating over paper. It's certainly ok for
a kitchen, but on a boat, I'd want something not paper-backed.

I have been sawing, drilling, sanding, grinding Formica for more than
fifty years and I have never seen a hint of any paper. You must have
another product in mind.

Casady

The underside of Formica is made up of kraft paper infused with resin.

According to the Formica web site, the product is composed of
"melamine-impregnated decorative surface paper combined with
phenolic-treated kraft paper and consolidated
in a press at high pressures."

I have Formica in mind.

OK. The paper wasn't evident when I sawed, drilled etc the stuff. I
believe you when you say the paper is there, but I never noticed.

Casady


Note that I am not knocking Formica. It's a good product, and useful. I
just don't like it on boats.



--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do
the something that I can do. What I can do, I should do. And what I
should do, by the grace of God, I will do.

— Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Lots of things on a boat foster mold more readily than formica,
including wood. I've read mold can even etch the glass of binoculars.
But if something stinks, hey, blame the formica.

Exactly. Laminate/formica that is kept clean and dry does not develop
mold. That is what I call good maintenance.

*Anything* that accumulates dirt in a moist environment will mold
however.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:02:38 -0400, hk wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
What's your point here, W'hine, that *I* should like Formica as an
interior material on boats because you and Bertram like it?

Told you, I don't like the material on boats. I prefer real wood trim and
paneling, not Formica.




Then you would *really* like his GB.

Eisboch


Actually, no. Too big. You guys act as if I have never seen a GB or
been aboard one. There are lots of them here on the Bay, and I've been
aboard several over the years. I simply don't like the larger ones. I do
like the one you had, though...the smaller one.

You're right Harry, it is too big, barely fits on the 54 ft dock in
front of the house and quite a struggle to trailer it.

I'd much prefer your Parker. Not the big one, the little one you have
now. It would make a really good tender for a properly sized GB.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:59:00 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Lots of things on a boat foster mold more readily than formica,
including wood. I've read mold can even etch the glass of binoculars.
But if something stinks, hey, blame the formica.

Exactly. Laminate/formica that is kept clean and dry does not develop
mold. That is what I call good maintenance.

*Anything* that accumulates dirt in a moist environment will mold
however.

Exactly how do you prevent water absorption within the Formica by
"maintenance, Wayne? It draws this moisture out of the air, not from
your spilled beer, and not through the top surface.

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...


Is that the stuff that used to be called "bakelite"?

No. While bakelite is phenolic, it is homogenous. not laminated. There
is phenolic and cloth, called micarta. Makes good knife and pistol
handles. It has been used for circuit boards. You can mount relays on
it.

Casady

What is the stuff the old tube sockets were made of? I always thought it
was Bakelite.

Eisboch

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:02:38 -0400, hk wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
What's your point here, W'hine, that *I* should like Formica as an
interior material on boats because you and Bertram like it?

Told you, I don't like the material on boats. I prefer real wood trim and
paneling, not Formica.



Then you would *really* like his GB.

Eisboch


Actually, no. Too big. You guys act as if I have never seen a GB or
been aboard one. There are lots of them here on the Bay, and I've been
aboard several over the years. I simply don't like the larger ones. I do
like the one you had, though...the smaller one.

You're right Harry, it is too big, barely fits on the 54 ft dock in
front of the house and quite a struggle to trailer it.

I'd much prefer your Parker. Not the big one, the little one you have
now. It would make a really good tender for a properly sized GB.


We have the watercraft we want at the moment.

W'hine, I'm not impressed by your boat, your dock, your canal, or what
looks like eifs-sheathed houses across the canal. I'm least impressed by
you.

I find it funny you constantly try to insult me because of the size of
my Parker, and the fact that your GB is larger. Your incessant harping
on that subject tells me a truth about the two of us: my dick is larger
than yours and harder, and I don't need a 49' long RV to convince myself
of it.

Maybe if you had a younger wife, you could deal with having a smaller
boat, eh?

:)

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:04:58 -0400, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:15 -0400, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 18, 5:47 pm, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:15:32 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0400, hk wrote:
Which goes to show how subjective taste is. I've never liked teak on a
boat. On the exterior, I always preferred mahogany, the real stuff, not
the crap that is sold most often these days as mahogany. In a cabin, I
pretty cherry or oak.
After maintaining hardwoods for many years, when I see a beautifully
finished grain I think.......can I get this in a non-scratch plastic?
Yep, taste is subjective, and changing.
That was wrong actually. I wouldn't get a wood grain in plastic.
I like "light" which might be because my eyes aren't as good as they
once were. Besides the maintenance issues, dark woods don't
lend themselves to bright atmospheres, which is my preference now.
Think formica. Or whatever.
--Vic
Formica is just a plasticized coating over paper.
Bull****.
The paper is soaked with resins, therefore paper is never in contact
with anything.
Also, you are lumping Formica with all laminates, idiot.
The fact that the paper in formica absorbs moisture and begins to
smell over time in a marine environment is well known. It's a smell
that you cannot get rid of unless you get rid of the formica.



While I knew the composition of Formica previously, I got some of the
quotes regarding the product (the part about paper) right off the
Formica site. In fact, I thought I put those quotes in quotes and
mentioned the Formica site. I'm not sure what it is loogy is trying to
argue, but I had that same problem with most of his posts, when I
bothered to read them. The boy is drain-bamaged.

One of my "hobbies" is building guitars. For a while in the 80's, it
was all the rage to use phenolic for fretboards. It looked like ebony,
was very strong and stable, and was touted as the "lifetime fretboard
material". It was likewise, made from paper and resin, but used
phenolic resin, and was much thicker than formica countertops. The
color was not just on the surface, either.

The phone company used a lot of phenolic laminate for switch gear.


Is that the stuff that used to be called "bakelite"?

No. While bakelite is phenolic, it is homogenous. not laminated. There
is phenolic and cloth, called micarta. Makes good knife and pistol
handles. It has been used for circuit boards. You can mount relays on
it.

Casady