On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:34:38 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Careful, you'll become the eighteenth dwarf.

But, you'll be welcome.
"round hear, we draw the line at 2nd cuzins but I got lucky an'
married a yankee who likes what I like ('cept she doesnt like
greens). My yank in-laws would be ok if they'd just learn to cook.

What the hell is with people who don't like greens? My wife, bless her
soul, doesn't even like the smell of a batch of collards cooking in the
house. I keep telling her she's sick, but she says it's not her.

I've a friend here who gives me a bag of collards and green tomatoes every
time we golf. Naturally I make sure to golf with him at least once a week!

The REAL reason she doesn't like the smell of greens while they are
cooking is they actually give off a sulfur smell, which is a diluted
form of mustard gas. The longer you cook them, the more sulfur they
release.

There is a difference between sulphur released in cooking greens and
sulphur mustard as I understand it.

I could be wrong though.

While I have never tasted greens i like, Alton Brown says the reason
most people do not like greens are they are cooked too long. He
recommends you only cook them 45 min or until they are tender. I think
most southerners cook them till they are almost mush.

I have had them done right - just tender and they are good.

The problem is you really have to be experienced in cooking them right
though.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 07:34:38 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Careful, you'll become the eighteenth dwarf.

But, you'll be welcome.
"round hear, we draw the line at 2nd cuzins but I got lucky an'
married a yankee who likes what I like ('cept she doesnt like
greens). My yank in-laws would be ok if they'd just learn to cook.

What the hell is with people who don't like greens? My wife, bless her
soul, doesn't even like the smell of a batch of collards cooking in the
house. I keep telling her she's sick, but she says it's not her.

I've a friend here who gives me a bag of collards and green tomatoes every
time we golf. Naturally I make sure to golf with him at least once a week!

The REAL reason she doesn't like the smell of greens while they are
cooking is they actually give off a sulfur smell, which is a diluted
form of mustard gas. The longer you cook them, the more sulfur they
release.

While I have never tasted greens i like, Alton Brown says the reason
most people do not like greens are they are cooked too long. He
recommends you only cook them 45 min or until they are tender. I think
most southerners cook them till they are almost mush.

I cook the collards for 12 minutes, then drain and set aside. I then fry
the bacon in the same pot. While it is frying, I slice up an onion and a
few cloves of garlic. As the bacon nears completion, but not crisp, I throw
in the onions (after draining a little of the grease). I also throw the
collards back in, and cook everything until the onions are done. Just
before, I throw in the garlic slices.

Good stuff. About 45min to an hour is the total cooking time.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:38:48 GMT, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Careful, you'll become the eighteenth dwarf.

But, you'll be welcome.

"round hear, we draw the line at 2nd cuzins but I got lucky an'
married a yankee who likes what I like ('cept she doesnt like
greens). My yank in-laws would be ok if they'd just learn to cook.

What the hell is with people who don't like greens? My wife, bless her
soul, doesn't even like the smell of a batch of collards cooking in the
house. I keep telling her she's sick, but she says it's not her.

I've a friend here who gives me a bag of collards and green tomatoes every
time we golf. Naturally I make sure to golf with him at least once a week!

It's funny - I can't stand the smell of bacon cooking. I actually get
physically sick when somebody (like Mrs. Wave who has it every morning
with two scrambled eggs) cooks it.

I leave the house for 30 minutes or so and after Mrs. Wave finishes,
she opens the door and lets the kitchen air out.

On the other hand, I love Brussels Sprouts and Mrs. Wave can't stand
the smell.

Go figure. :)

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:38:48 GMT, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:27:48 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Careful, you'll become the eighteenth dwarf.

But, you'll be welcome.
"round hear, we draw the line at 2nd cuzins but I got lucky an'
married a yankee who likes what I like ('cept she doesnt like
greens). My yank in-laws would be ok if they'd just learn to cook.
What the hell is with people who don't like greens? My wife, bless her
soul, doesn't even like the smell of a batch of collards cooking in the
house. I keep telling her she's sick, but she says it's not her.

I've a friend here who gives me a bag of collards and green tomatoes every
time we golf. Naturally I make sure to golf with him at least once a week!

It's funny - I can't stand the smell of bacon cooking. I actually get
physically sick when somebody (like Mrs. Wave who has it every morning
with two scrambled eggs) cooks it.

I leave the house for 30 minutes or so and after Mrs. Wave finishes,
she opens the door and lets the kitchen air out.

On the other hand, I love Brussels Sprouts and Mrs. Wave can't stand
the smell.

Go figure. :)

Brussels Sprouts YUK. I knew there was something wrong with you. Even
Tabasco can not fix them.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

On the other hand, I love Brussels Sprouts and Mrs. Wave can't stand
the smell.

Go figure. :)




Nothing like a couple of eggs over medium and then sprinkled generously with
Tabasco sauce. Sorta wakes you up.

BTW .... I also like Brussels Sprouts cooked until they just get tender,
then semi saturated with vinegar. Vinegar is like wine; all sorts of
varieties.


Eisboch

On Aug 10, 8:40*pm, wrote:
Being a boater, a Florida Native (5th generation N. FL redneck) and
former oilfield engineer (I did drillstem testing so I truly know
about drilling operations), I think I am knowledgable about the
relative perils of offshore drilling in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico.
Over the years, I have seen my home state befouled by the tourist and
real estate industry and overrun by people who simply do not belong
here. *By comparison to the plague of yankees who have descended on us
drilling is purely benign yet tourism is considered clean industry.
MY beaches are now covered by northern condo filth to the extent that
I cannot even see the beach along highway 98 in Panama City and
Destin. *Along MY barrier islands I have been threatened by idjit
snowbirds who think they actually own the beach in front of their
trashy stilt homes ruining MY dunes.
The salt marshes that produce most of food in the coastal food chain
that have been filled for building apartments will NEVER come back.
By comparison, Prince William Sound is almost the same as it was
before Exxon Valdez. *Yet, we are not even talking about oil spills
here, THIS IS GAS DRILLING, NOT OIL. *Any conceivable accident from
gas drilling is insignificant to that done each week by the tourist
industry.
Fishing boats from NW FL go to the waters of Alabama and LA because
they have better fishing BECAUSE of the oil industry. *The drilling
rigs provide habitat for fish.
Local politicians here in N. FL pandering to the fears of foolish
liberals tell us that tourism provides jobs but all they provide is
minimum wage seasonable jobs. *The gas industry provides very high
wage permanent jobs. *Given a choice between being a cashier at a
Panama City Hot Dog Stand for $6.00/hr or a welder offshore, which
would you choose?

Are you suggesting that tourism and relocation to Florida be outlawed?

richforman

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:36:44 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

You missed the most obvious benefit. Rigs are hi-rise condos for all
types of marine life! Its all about the fishing!

Yes and no.

The common belief is that rigs and production platforms are fish
factories and that's not the case at all. In fact, there is some
evidence that the platforms may hurt the reproductive cycle because
fish won't leave the vicinity of the structure to reproduce.

That is by no means definitive, but tracking studies suggest that is
the case with certain species - in particular red snapper.

Having said that, certain types of reef fish thrive very nicely near
the structures - species like grouper for example have actually had
something of a resurgence because of the platforms.

The other issue is exactly what kinds of fish are attracted to the
platforms and what depths they can find shelter. For example, in the
North Sea, they have found that creating shelters creates some habitat
for cod fish, but that turns off other types of fish like haddock.
Haddock like to hang along linear objects placed around the platforms,
but that creates problems for cod.

I know in California, they've done a lot of research on this and have
developed some differing techniques depending on the dominant speices
where the rig resides. As it's more economically feasible for the
major oil companies to just leave the rigs in place rather than
disassemble them, they need to show some sort of benefit from doing so
and the exact benefit for leaving them in place has been hard to pin
down.

One interesting factoid is that the deep water rigs seem to attract
pelagic species at a higher rate that originally expected.

It's an interesting subject.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:14:35 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:02:21 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:36:44 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

You missed the most obvious benefit. Rigs are hi-rise condos for all
types of marine life! Its all about the fishing!

Yes and no.

The common belief is that rigs and production platforms are fish
factories and that's not the case at all. In fact, there is some
evidence that the platforms may hurt the reproductive cycle because
fish won't leave the vicinity of the structure to reproduce.

That is by no means definitive, but tracking studies suggest that is
the case with certain species - in particular red snapper.

Having said that, certain types of reef fish thrive very nicely near
the structures - species like grouper for example have actually had
something of a resurgence because of the platforms.

The other issue is exactly what kinds of fish are attracted to the
platforms and what depths they can find shelter. For example, in the
North Sea, they have found that creating shelters creates some habitat
for cod fish, but that turns off other types of fish like haddock.
Haddock like to hang along linear objects placed around the platforms,
but that creates problems for cod.

I know in California, they've done a lot of research on this and have
developed some differing techniques depending on the dominant speices
where the rig resides. As it's more economically feasible for the
major oil companies to just leave the rigs in place rather than
disassemble them, they need to show some sort of benefit from doing so
and the exact benefit for leaving them in place has been hard to pin
down.

One interesting factoid is that the deep water rigs seem to attract
pelagic species at a higher rate that originally expected.

It's an interesting subject.

It is.... and seems to be, basically, attraction vs. production. There
doesn't seem to a single definitive answer.... and it is a question
that encompasses all artificial reefs.....

One of the curiosities about artificial reefs is height and staging.
All those subway cars they dumped off New Jersey are providing some
incredible data.