On Jul 24, 1:20 am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 23, 5:56 pm, Vic Smith wrote:



On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:46:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Salt water in the valve guides.
Rebuilders won't touch heads from sal****er boats.

That sort of cuts down your options, don't it?
But why is that? I can see how the SW cooled heads might have
more of the passages eaten away, but they could grind, revalve,
respring, and reguide with no problem. Just make it clear future
cracks aren't warranteed, same as any head rebuild.
Anyway, I'm only batting .500 with shop work on heads.
I don't know anything about those boat engine manifolds, but I guess
that's how the salt got in the guides.
The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the piston hit
the valve, because I thought that engine was non-interference.
Couldn't find that's a fact anywhere though, so maybe I'm missing
something.
Seems like there's big differences between car and boat engines.
Think I'll get an O/B.

--Vic

Well, one thing is that engine heads are sort of a soft cast iron and
after years of salt water exposure, the minerals of said water
actually impregnate into the heads and cause the cast iron to break
down. just like an old rusty iron water pipe that's laid bare to the
elements over several years.

So quality machine work is next to impossible

Not to mention that it's a whole other volume to get into the
electrolysis issue of salt water and engines.....

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:20:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

It's just fun tweaking Harry about his boat - he gets so defensive
it's amusing.

I had never noticed that.

:-))


He's very offensive, also.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:20:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Well, one thing is that engine heads are sort of a soft cast iron and
after years of salt water exposure, the minerals of said water
actually impregnate into the heads and cause the cast iron to break
down. just like an old rusty iron water pipe that's laid bare to the
elements over several years.

So quality machine work is next to impossible

Never thought of that. Thanks, Tim.

--Vic

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

I would think that If Tom thought Parker was a worthy boat

If they changed the color from that monkey vomit beige to white, well
maybe I'd consider one. :)

It's just fun tweaking Harry about his boat - he gets so defensive
it's amusing.

My boat is what it is - never claimed it to be something different -
it's a great bay boat with decent range and a decent ride in heavier
weather. And it's pretty quick which is also a plus.

The fact that it's unique pleases me. My son mentioned something to
me the other day and he was right - this is the first boat I've ever
owned for longer than five years - I've had it for eight and I'm not
ever going to get rid of it.

It's good that you are happy with your boat. I'm glad you didn't have to
settle for a "monkey puke" Parker. I wish you many more happy moons with
your boat.

Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

I would think that If Tom thought Parker was a worthy boat

If they changed the color from that monkey vomit beige to white, well
maybe I'd consider one. :)

It's just fun tweaking Harry about his boat - he gets so defensive
it's amusing.

My boat is what it is - never claimed it to be something different -
it's a great bay boat with decent range and a decent ride in heavier
weather. And it's pretty quick which is also a plus.

The fact that it's unique pleases me. My son mentioned something to
me the other day and he was right - this is the first boat I've ever
owned for longer than five years - I've had it for eight and I'm not
ever going to get rid of it.

It's good that you are happy with your boat. I'm glad you didn't have to
settle for a "monkey puke" Parker. I wish you many more happy moons with
your boat.


Speaking of monkey puke, do you keep track of that old wellcraft you no
longer own, or did it disappear finally at the landfill?

What's your current boat? Oh...that's right...you don't have one. Right?

On Jul 23, 7:04*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:25:57 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:10:12 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:44:37 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:28:39 -0700, JR North
wrote:
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|. Now I get to pull the heads......
|Oh well, the engine is 18 years old, has 495 Hrs on it, and with all
|that down time, a seized valve is not unusual.
|
|Triple ****.
|
|Oh - whoops. *:)
|
|Well, hey, look at it this way - as long as you have the heads off,
|look around for cylinder scoring, slop, etc.
|
|Hell, might be time for a new engine. *:)
|
|(At least that's what I'd be telling SWMBO) *:)

Goal: * * * Plausible Deniability.......

Damn straight.

That's how I got my ETEC. *:)

A little fudging here, a little truth twisting there - bingo.

New engine. *:)

I thought that eTec was fifth prize in a beauty contest. First prize was
a weekend in Philly.

Geese 'em pete Harry - that was your prize.

Remember? *You won the Parker when you placed First *in the "I am a
dork and look like one contest. *You had to submit an essay on why you
would look like a dork in a Parker with no transom.

The way you told it, you also got second and third which managed to
get you the Yamaha - by default because nobody else wanted it. * :)- Hide quoted text -

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Quit knocking Harry's Parker, it's going to me mine soon! Didn't you
see his wager to me?

Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

I would think that If Tom thought Parker was a worthy boat

If they changed the color from that monkey vomit beige to white, well
maybe I'd consider one. :)

It's just fun tweaking Harry about his boat - he gets so defensive
it's amusing.

My boat is what it is - never claimed it to be something different -
it's a great bay boat with decent range and a decent ride in heavier
weather. And it's pretty quick which is also a plus.

The fact that it's unique pleases me. My son mentioned something to
me the other day and he was right - this is the first boat I've ever
owned for longer than five years - I've had it for eight and I'm not
ever going to get rid of it.

It's good that you are happy with your boat. I'm glad you didn't have to
settle for a "monkey puke" Parker. I wish you many more happy moons with
your boat.

I actually think Harry's Parker is a great bay boat when the water is
calm. The only recommendation I would have for Harry is to get rid of
that ugly bimini. you normally see those on runabouts, not a proper
fishing boat. Besides looking tacky, the tie downs for the bimini
totally eliminates the advantage of a CC. You have to decide if you
want to fish in the bow or the stern of the boat, and hope the fish
doesn't want to move around as you reel him in. I would guess most
people want to fish from the bow, your docksiders stay drier that way.

Even with the bimini, if I was Harry, I would spend substantially less
time talking about fishing and more time actually fishing or using his
boat. Sure it might be warm on some days and it is common to have
afternoon showers during the spring and summer,if you only go out on a
"perfect day", you will very rarely go boating.

RPS wrote:


I actually think...

snerk

"RPS" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:24:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

I would think that If Tom thought Parker was a worthy boat

If they changed the color from that monkey vomit beige to white, well
maybe I'd consider one. :)

It's just fun tweaking Harry about his boat - he gets so defensive
it's amusing.

My boat is what it is - never claimed it to be something different -
it's a great bay boat with decent range and a decent ride in heavier
weather. And it's pretty quick which is also a plus.

The fact that it's unique pleases me. My son mentioned something to
me the other day and he was right - this is the first boat I've ever
owned for longer than five years - I've had it for eight and I'm not
ever going to get rid of it.

It's good that you are happy with your boat. I'm glad you didn't have to
settle for a "monkey puke" Parker. I wish you many more happy moons with
your boat.

I actually think Harry's Parker is a great bay boat when the water is
calm. The only recommendation I would have for Harry is to get rid of
that ugly bimini. you normally see those on runabouts, not a proper
fishing boat. Besides looking tacky, the tie downs for the bimini totally
eliminates the advantage of a CC. You have to decide if you want to fish
in the bow or the stern of the boat, and hope the fish doesn't want to
move around as you reel him in. I would guess most people want to fish
from the bow, your docksiders stay drier that way.

Even with the bimini, if I was Harry, I would spend substantially less
time talking about fishing and more time actually fishing or using his
boat. Sure it might be warm on some days and it is common to have
afternoon showers during the spring and summer,if you only go out on a
"perfect day", you will very rarely go boating.

Don't you think his surrey top would look cute with a string of pink pom
poms around the perimeter?

On Jul 24, 2:20*am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 23, 5:56 pm, Vic Smith wrote:





On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:46:59 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

Salt water in the valve guides.
Rebuilders won't touch heads from sal****er boats.

That sort of cuts down your options, don't it?
But why is that? *I can see how the SW cooled heads might have
more of the passages eaten away, but they could grind, revalve,
respring, and reguide with no problem. *Just make it clear future
cracks aren't warranteed, same as any head rebuild.
Anyway, I'm only batting .500 with shop work on heads.
I don't know anything about those boat engine manifolds, but I guess
that's how the salt got in the guides.
The other thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the piston hit
the valve, because I thought that engine was non-interference.
Couldn't find that's a fact anywhere though, so maybe I'm missing
something.
Seems like there's big differences between car and boat engines.
Think I'll get an O/B.

--Vic

Well, one thing is that engine heads are sort of a soft cast iron and
after years of salt water exposure, the minerals of said water
actually impregnate into the heads and cause the cast iron to break
down. just like an old rusty iron water pipe that's laid bare to the
elements over several years.

So quality machine work is next to impossible- Hide quoted text -

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Sounds a bit like an urban legend. Guides are either knurled or bored
and inserts added. Knurled is quick and easy but won't last as long.
The salt water is not really going to affect either option. The seats
are hardened. Have been ever since they went to unleaded gas.
Besides, how does the machine shop know where the head has been
anyway?

As someone else mentioned, I too thought this engine was supposed to
be non-interfering. The other 305s I've seen from the boating world
have had seriously dished pistons, no way a valve would hit them. We
need more facts from the autopsy after the head is removed :-) I'd
also suggest removing a few other springs and checking those valves
for wobble.